01 Nov 2023, 4:05 pm
funeralxempire
Veteran
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder
01 Nov 2023, 6:22 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
01 Nov 2023, 6:30 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
colliegrace wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
I do not subscribe to any line of thinking that blames someone else for my choices if I eat a $12 Big Mac meal and a bag of chips for dinner. If I’m fat and broke for it, it’s because I made those poor choices. Ronny mcD isn’t to blame for it. Wtf
How is executive dysfunction blaming someone else? It's literally just a disability. If I'm blaming anything it's my frontal lobe. You're dancing with straw men here.
funeral's post a few above blames the fast food industry and suggests the solution is government regulation. I wouldn't mind if they were regulated into serving healthier food, but I believe it's peoples own responsibility not to make it a regular part of their diet.
Yet again, you rely on over-simplifying the point you wish to respond to before attempting to address it.
I believe the over-abundance of snack foods and fast food is a contributing factor and that regulation might be part of the solution.
That's not the same as believing that is the sole factor and that regulation represents some sort of silver bullet.
That's akin to saying crack/meth/fentanyl are readily available so I obviously have to become a hardcore drug user and it's not my fault in the slightest for going to where the drugs are, buying them, taking them home and consuming them.
Just because unhealthy things are for sale doesn't mean we're obligated to purchase or consume them regularly, or at all.
Same same for alcohol or cigarettes or cannabis and so on. Proper groceries are available, so is water. It's all about personal decisions and personal accountability vs. blaming abc & xyz and everything else under the sun for one's own unhealthy choices or habits. In the end, it doesn't matter what we tell ourselves or others, "the proof is in the pudding," as the expression goes. If someone is unhealthy it is almost always the cumulative compound effect of their decisions of what to eat/drink and what to do/not do.
When I am fat/weak; my fault. When I am fit/strong; also my doing. It's never anyone else' doing, or some government regulation and so on. It's me.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
01 Nov 2023, 6:36 pm
funeralxempire
Veteran
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder
01 Nov 2023, 6:36 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
01 Nov 2023, 7:09 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
That's akin to saying crack/meth/fentanyl are readily available so I obviously have to become a hardcore drug user and it's not my fault in the slightest for going to where the drugs are, buying them, taking them home and consuming them.
Just because unhealthy things are for sale doesn't mean we're obligated to purchase or consume them regularly, or at all.
Same same for alcohol or cigarettes or cannabis and so on. Proper groceries are available, so is water. It's all about personal decisions and personal accountability vs. blaming abc & xyz and everything else under the sun for one's own unhealthy choices or habits. In the end, it doesn't matter what we tell ourselves or others, "the proof is in the pudding," as the expression goes. If someone is unhealthy it is almost always the cumulative compound effect of their decisions of what to eat/drink and what to do/not do.
When I am fat/weak; my fault. When I am fit/strong; also my doing. It's never anyone else' doing, or some government regulation and so on. It's me.
Just because unhealthy things are for sale doesn't mean we're obligated to purchase or consume them regularly, or at all.
Same same for alcohol or cigarettes or cannabis and so on. Proper groceries are available, so is water. It's all about personal decisions and personal accountability vs. blaming abc & xyz and everything else under the sun for one's own unhealthy choices or habits. In the end, it doesn't matter what we tell ourselves or others, "the proof is in the pudding," as the expression goes. If someone is unhealthy it is almost always the cumulative compound effect of their decisions of what to eat/drink and what to do/not do.
When I am fat/weak; my fault. When I am fit/strong; also my doing. It's never anyone else' doing, or some government regulation and so on. It's me.
You're just repeating the same drivel that's already been addressed, as though repeating yourself will make your argument less flawed.
Because the same truth holds true whether you want to acknowledge it or not ? No one is force feeding anyone mcdonalds or chaining them to a chair to ensure they don't get any exercise. We're all responsible for what we put in our mouths and swallow as well as for what exercise or work we do or don't do. It's not the fault of fast food corporations or government regulations if people choose not to eat a healthy diet or do any exercise or physical work.
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
01 Nov 2023, 7:12 pm
funeralxempire
Veteran
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder
01 Nov 2023, 7:59 pm
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
01 Nov 2023, 8:38 pm
colliegrace wrote:
For my part, I just feel that there's enough judgement and lack of understanding from the neurotypical world. I've tried to explain to my boss - whomst knows autism well enough to identify me as autistic before I even gave it a thought - about executive dysfunction.
She doesn't believe it exists apparently. "Everyone does that." That's kinda true, but it's like..... everyone pees. But if you're peeing 15 times a day and it's making it hard to do activities you are obligated to do or that you enjoy, you definitely have a diagnoseable problem.
Everyone procrastinates and puts unpleasant things off.... but when it's to the point you can't get out of bed even for things like using the toilet..... clearly there is another issue than mere laziness.
Over all my health complaints, including autistic sensory overload, my boss is always telling me, exercise more, eat healthy, it will help you deal with life better. And she's not incorrect. But I wish people understood how hard that is to accomplish, even for your basic neurotypical, and offered help rather than judgement. Less "you should eat better so you'll have fewer health issues" and more "here is how you can make this goal easier to accomplish"
She doesn't believe it exists apparently. "Everyone does that." That's kinda true, but it's like..... everyone pees. But if you're peeing 15 times a day and it's making it hard to do activities you are obligated to do or that you enjoy, you definitely have a diagnoseable problem.
Everyone procrastinates and puts unpleasant things off.... but when it's to the point you can't get out of bed even for things like using the toilet..... clearly there is another issue than mere laziness.
Over all my health complaints, including autistic sensory overload, my boss is always telling me, exercise more, eat healthy, it will help you deal with life better. And she's not incorrect. But I wish people understood how hard that is to accomplish, even for your basic neurotypical, and offered help rather than judgement. Less "you should eat better so you'll have fewer health issues" and more "here is how you can make this goal easier to accomplish"
You're probably not getting this because people don't know how to communicate it any differently so that you'll comprehend what they're saying, make better decisions, and ultimately eat healthier. It's a pretty self explanitory statement "you should eat better so you'll have fewer health issues," so people aren't sure exactly how else they're supposed to phrase it to get the message across.. different words all mean the same thing, like "Don't eat junk food," or "You are what you eat," or "Eat balanced meals," or "eat healthy portions." etc etc. Not sure what words you're expecting someone to say, that all amount to the same thing, that would make it easier for you to follow their advice ??
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.01 Nov 2023, 9:57 pm
02 Nov 2023, 7:44 pm
funeralxempire
Veteran
Joined: 27 Oct 2014
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 34,202
Location: Right over your left shoulder
02 Nov 2023, 9:33 pm
Dox47 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
You're just repeating the same drivel that's already been addressed, as though repeating yourself will make your argument less flawed.
See what I've been dealing with?
Indeed, but I won't act like it's not a common behaviour (him, you, me, etc). It's the you didn't understand me, let me explain it again response that people do when they can't conceive of the other party not being persuaded.
But at the same time, if both parties sincerely believe they've made a better case that addresses or adequately dismisses the other party's case, the only two real options for that game are to try to present your argument all over again or to move on with both sides believing I totally won that.
Three weeks later when the same argument happens now both parties will be all the more convinced the other is operating in bad faith because they must have realized they didn't win last time.
A part of me attaches this to theory of mind and tendencies towards monotropism, but at the same time NTs often aren't much better.
goldfish21
Veteran
Joined: 17 Feb 2013
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 22,612
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
03 Nov 2023, 6:18 pm
_________________
No
for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.03 Nov 2023, 8:14 pm
03 Nov 2023, 10:00 pm
