Why do Europeans seem to hate Christianity?

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26 Aug 2007, 6:23 pm

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The Great War was also known as 'The war to end all wars'; unfortunately it wasn't the last, but with the loss of life and the brutality (mustard gas in particular, trench warfare and the massacre at Gallipoli) it hasn't been out-done.

The British civilization goes back as far as Roman times (or earlier) when the Romans invaded during Boadecea's (sp) reign, and has survived numerous battles, conquests (Norman, Spanish etc) and had an empire that spanned a quarter of the world at one stage. If not for Britain, America would probably have been founded by either the French or Spanish, and where would you be then? We in Australia may have been a British penal colony, but most of us are proud to have those links, plus we also had a lot of miners (Irish, Chinese) in our country's ancestry as well. So if I were you Wiggy, I wouldn't go pointing my finger at Europe and calling them names, when America is not only very insular, but has nowhere near the cultural diversity or historical background that Europe, or anyone else has, for that matter. Oh, and speaking of genocide, have you spoken to any Cherokee or Sioux people recently? We still have quite a few aboriginals around, discontented they may be, but they are still there.

Catching up? Or are you still on page 2.

Oh, BTW, examples of European culture - Beethoven, Brahms, The Beatles, pasta, champagne, tea etc.

Examples of American culture - Phillip Glass, South Park & The Simpsons.

Enough said.

the beatles wouldn't exist without the rock and r&b from america and later the influence of bob dylan insofar as making them much more politically aware and looking to make more meaningful music.

pasta came from china, btw.

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26 Aug 2007, 6:27 pm

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Anymore superfluous and inaccurate history lessons that have nothing to do with the topic? Tea and pasta are Asian. And the Beatles were imitating an american art form.

And we have Natives around here too. I know a lot of them. You are wrong as usual. Europe has more cultural diversity than the US? That is laughable. Europe is one of the most homogeneous places on earth. The US has more diversity in everything from race to economics. So try again.

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26 Aug 2007, 6:38 pm

Still, I make it Europe 2, America nil. Your turn Macbeth & rideforever.

Oh, and you'd probably like to know why we refer to you as Septics.
Septic Tanks, rhyming slang for Yanks; also referring to the fact some of you are full of sh*t.

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26 Aug 2007, 6:59 pm

You didn't like the facts so you just came up with insults. Pathetic.

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26 Aug 2007, 7:09 pm

Yeah, that's typical of Wiggerbeater; he does that in every argument. When challenged on anything that isn't in his pro-American stance, he carries on like a kid in a play-pen. Still, I suppose it isn't his fault they don't teach history in American schools.

BTW, The Beatles were originally a 'skiffle' group, like Lonnie Donnegan's outfit. There music was similar to rhythm & blues, but was mostly British in origin. Tea may have been Asian as you say, but Ceylon back then was part of the British empire, so is still English. Still catching up?

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26 Aug 2007, 7:29 pm

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lol says a guy who claims pasta and tea are European. He was talking about you. How the actual facts were stuffed back in your face, and you turn to off-topic insults. Chinese people were drinking tea way before there was any British Empire. You only had 50% of your facts wrong in your post. I guess that is an improvement for you.

John Lennon said: "It was Elvis who really got me buying records. I thought that early stuff of his was great. The Bill Haley era passed me by, in a way. When his records came on the wireless, my mother used to hear them, but they didn’t do anything for me. It was Elvis who got me hooked on beat music. When I heard 'Heartbreak Hotel', I thought ‘this is it’ and I started to grow sideboards and all that gear...."[20] He also commented: "Nothing really affected me until I heard Elvis. If there hadn't been an Elvis, there wouldn't have been a Beatles."[21]

Other acts acknowledged by the Beatles include Chuck Berry, Carl Perkins, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, and The Everly Brothers.

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26 Aug 2007, 8:11 pm

So what? Using that analogy, without England, America would not exist. remember the puritans on board the Mayflower in 1621? Or had you forgotten about them? And they were the ones who started the trouble with the Indians, which only got worse later on. Do READ some history before you bother to post, dear boy. Not to forget the debacle with the War of Independence, two British groups fighting each other; Redcoats on one side and rebels on the other. Oh, and if you want to mention the Great War, why did the Yanks leave it til 1917 to get involved, when it was almost over. If you want to get into an argument with someone on a forum, dear boy, at least get your facts right before you post. Now let's get some real sense from Macbeth and rideforever....

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26 Aug 2007, 10:55 pm

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To Astreja (and probably username88) : Thats quite a long time to hold a grudge, dont you think? After all, everybody involved is long dead, and would still be long dead even if there hadnt been any killings.

Yes, the people involved are all long dead. However, the ideology that drove the persecutions is still alive and well and very, very dangerous. That is my enemy, not the shades of Charlemagne and Olaf and Innocent VIII.

There seems to be something inherent in monotheism that supports "us-or-them" thinking and also makes it possible to pool large amounts of power in the hands of relatively few individuals. The obscene amount of power held by the Roman Catholic Church is one glaring example of this.

And I have seen evidence of persecution in my own neighbourhood, in the 21st century. A young man of my acquaintance, who comes from a pagan family, was ostracized and bullied by classmates. The problems started almost immediately after the establishment of a parent-led prayer group in his school. It started with namecalling and escalated to physical beatings. Fortunately he's going to a different school next year.

I honour the memory of my own ancestors and their trials to remind me to keep my guard up at all times. Because it can happen again.

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27 Aug 2007, 5:11 am

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Still, I make it Europe 2, America nil. Your turn Macbeth & rideforever.
Oh, and you'd probably like to know why we refer to you as Septics.
Septic Tanks, rhyming slang for Yanks; also referring to the fact some of you are full of sh*t.

(I think Wiggerbeater means that the Starbucks on the West Coast has different colored coffee mugs from the Starbucks on the East Coast.)

It is probably difficult to understand what it is like to be an American, brought up with no experience of diversity how would you even understand it. I have just been watching a film about India and the explosion of diversity there - I think the only think the Americans understand is the explosion.

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27 Aug 2007, 5:19 am

Or maybe the McDonalds on the east out-supersize the McDonalds supersizing on the west.

By pasta I meant lasagne, tortellini, fettucine, ravioli, rigatoni.

And they drink PROPER coffee in Europe, like cappucino, espresso, not the instant Maxwell House or Pablo stuff you guys drink.

Anyone for a cup of cha?

And I'll put Rowan Atkinson and Benny Hill up against Seinfeld any day....

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27 Aug 2007, 5:28 am

Anyway ... in this documentary about the Partition on India, I heard stories about systematic beheading of entire villages and insane violence - it seemed to be started by the Muslims and followed up by the Hindus and Sikhs (although I am not expert).

Violence and murder and the perpetrators thinking they are completely justified, like they are The Just. How many have died in Iraq so far ? Seem to remember the invaders decided not to keep count. Is it 100,000, or 300,000 ... who knows ... and still the US/UK is The Just.

Do 100,000 lives mean so little to the Americans ? Are they so ... insensitive, so numb. It seems the only thing they worry about is how many Americans die - anyone else has no value. In the UK (and I suppose there are people here who are numb as well) we had the biggest peace march since WWII - I was there.

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27 Aug 2007, 5:43 am

We have an election coming up here (as I've probably mentioned) in around November. Labour, who is the opposition party at the moment said awhile ago that they would reduce troops in Iraq, more to bring them into a peacekeeping capacity. Howard (coalition) accused them of 'cutting and running', and at one stage said it was un-Australian to dessert our allies. What would be un-Australian would be keeping our troops over there when i) the war isn't fully supported here either, and ii) our troops are only being sent to place where there is no action anyway, or if there is, the fighting is insignificant. We have had some casualties, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are 'friendly fire'. Ha! friendly fire; what sort of bullsh*t term is that. Why don't they call it what it is, that they just plain f*cked up? While this insanity in the Middle East continues, thanks to Bush's millitary stance, we are in for another Vietnam, and that conflict, when you count the skirmishes before the actual war, went for more than 20 years.

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27 Aug 2007, 6:11 am

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To Wiggerbeater: The very fact that you can travel 100 miles here and find a completely different country with completely different customs, languages, history and architechture makes us more diverse than somewhere you can travel the same distance and still be in the same state. In fact its quite possible to travel 10 miles here and find very different cultures, accents, stories and points of view. THe fact that most of the buildings in the UK alone outdate your whole nation, and that there are more historically significant artifacts on my street than you'll find digging up ten square miles says a great deal.

LOL ya. We have states bigger than most countries in Europe. I know travelling from Switzerland to Italy or Luxembourg must be a huge culture shock. :lol:

Or you can travel from England to France, where everbody is still white, both countries have the same imperial history, fought in the same wars, and listen to the same American music while surfing American websites. That goes for just about any country in Europe.

I love how you always must reach into the past to find any glory about your country. It must be so disheartening.

And I love how you obviously have NO idea about Europe. I suppose we all have cockney accents and live in castles as well do we?

Having big states means jackshit. Its just a larger area to be the same in. Everybody is far from being all white anywhere in Europe, and you seriously overestimate how popular your american s**t actually is. Read my post again to see how UN-homogenous we are.

At least we have a history, my friend, and a damn long one. Like all countries, we have a chequered past, with glorious victories and ignominious defeats. Dont forget that Europeans at one point or another have conquered most of the world. Hows your empire building going? Oh yeah, its not. You cant even handle police actions without getting spanked. Thats not hugely glorious is it?

And wasnt Elvis inspired by Black music? That would be originating in Africa then, not America. Oh, and tea might be a chinese/indian thing, but who exported it world wide? Was it you? No, it wasnt.

Hubris and arrogance always lead to a downfall. Now how about you stop showing up all the Americans who arent arrogant self-centered ill-educated gits. (Of course ill-educated isnt actually your fault, as its a notorious fact that American history lessons are more than a little inaccurate.) .

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27 Aug 2007, 6:27 am

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Having big states means jackshit

Perhaps Wiggerbeater doesn't understand the concept that each person can be different to the next one - it's not a question of physical distance but distance between ideas.

Like I said earlier it seemed to me that each Dem candidate in the US has to say : I love jesus, I love israel, (even) I believe in creation ... there is no distance between ideas, there is no diversity - it's a bit like Shariah law in that other ideas are very strongly discouraged.

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27 Aug 2007, 6:29 am

Yeah, Elvis' admitted as such that his influence was black music, some gospel, some native. He also admitted that he only knew 3 chords, and that he was faking since 1955 (1968 comeback special). Lennon & McCartney were the 2 greatest popular songwriters ever, how many number 1's did Elvis actually write? If you look closely, Elvis AND some of the others' songs were written by Lieber & Stoller.

Besides, The Beatles have sold more records before and since the breakup (as a group and as solo artists) than Elvis and most other American artists combined.

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27 Aug 2007, 8:52 am

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