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Why wouldn't you want a woman to run the country? I mean yes I do hold some old-fashioned views about women (yes and I'm a woman) but I know I'd rather vote for a woman president than a racist a**hole lunatic.

I have no problem with a female president, it's the MAGAs that do. They want everything to be the way they were in the 1950s. They see that decade as a magical, innocent time where nothing bad ever happened.

It might shock you to know almost all of us are not card carrying communists who defend Chairman Mao or Stalin. I find it curious when people try and put Hitler in the context of being as bad as communist leaders. My "spidey senses" get activated. Like saying American slavery wasn't that bad because everyone engaged in slavery once upon a time.

Conspiracy theories exist on a spectrum of plausible denial. Some are less believable than others based on evidence collected.

Sen. Ted Cruz used his keynote address at a major gathering for Christian supporters of Israel this week to warn of “a growing cancer” of antisemitism on the right, which he said church leaders are failing to address.

“I’m here to tell you, in the last six months, I have seen antisemitism rising on the right in a way I have never seen in my entire life,” Cruz said, speaking on Sunday at a megachurch in San Antonio, Texas, led by John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel, which claims to have more than 10 million members.

He continued, “The work that CUFI does is desperately, desperately needed, but I’m here to tell you, the church is asleep right now.”

In the days around Cruz’s speech at Hagee’s 45th annual Night to Honor Israel, a cluster of conservative voices made similar appeals, arguing that antisemitism inside parts of the right can no longer be waved away as fringe. Essays in The Free Press and Tablet mapped how extremist figures and ideas have been normalized and the Jewish educational center and think tank Tikvah warned of a “clear faction” hostile to Israel and Judaism.

In The Free Press, conservative columnist Eli Lake published an essay titled “How Nick Fuentes Went Mainstream,” arguing that the far-right activist — long shunned for racist and antisemitic rhetoric — has lately been welcomed by a roster of popular podcasts and livestreams. In Lake’s telling, the “stigma” around Fuentes has “melted away,” an index of how the Overton window has shifted inside parts of the online right.

At Tablet, a first-person essay by a libertarian insider headlined “Hitler is Back in Style,” traced what the author describes as a libertarian-to-alt-right pipeline that, over the past decade, normalized conspiratorial thinking about Jews and open flirtations with Hitler apologetics. The piece is both confessional and diagnostic, naming podcast ecosystems and ideological crosscurrents that, the author argues, have turned “antiwar” rhetoric into reflexive anti-Israel sentiment and a broader hostility to Jews.

Meanwhile, Tikvah, one of the most prominent right-wing groups in the Jewish world, noted in an email to supporters Thursday that it has tracked the same trend.

“Today, there is a clear faction of the right that is overtly hostile to Israel and to Judaism. And though small, it is no longer marginal or possible to ignore,” wrote Avi Snyder, a senior director at Tikvah.

The organization pointed to a body of essays it began publishing in 2023, warning that some on the right were reviving old suspicions about Jewish loyalty, casting the US-Israel alliance as a trap, and disputing the moral superiority of the Allied fight in World War II.

In the background is the aftershock of Charlie Kirk’s assassination last month, which unleashed a torrent of conspiracies that quickly turned antisemitic in parts of the right’s online ecosystem. Fact-checkers documented a flood of false claims, while some influencers toyed with theories about Israeli or “Mossad” involvement — rhetoric with enough popular traction that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu felt compelled to issue a rebuttal. The swirl reinforced how fast fringe ideas migrate in today’s media sphere, even as prosecutors in Utah have charged a suspect and outlined a motive that has nothing to do with Israel.

In his speech, Cruz noted he has talked to Netanyahu about declining support for Israel on the right — and that the two men see the issue differently.

He recounted a recent conversation with the prime minister, saying that Netanyahu’s first instinct was to chalk much of it up to foreign amplification from places like Qatar and Iran — bots and paid misinformation networks.

Cruz pushed back: “I said, ‘Mr. Prime Minister, yes, but no. Yes, Qatar and Iran are clearly paying for it, and there are bots, and they are putting real money behind it, but I am telling you, this is real, it is organic, these are real human beings, and it is spreading.’”

Later in his address, Cruz highlighted the drift’s theological dimension. He warned of a resurgence of replacement theology, which he characterized as a “lie that the promises God made to Israel and the people of Israel are somehow no longer good, they are no longer valid.”

According to replacement theology, the Israelites were supplanted as God’s chosen people once the Christian church was founded.

Cruz didn’t blame anyone by name, but his comments come as figures with long records of inflammatory commentary toward Jews or Israel have continued to gain oxygen. Fuentes has rebounded from ostracism to high-visibility bookings; Tucker Carlson draws millions of viewers amplifying narratives that edge into Jew-baiting; and Candace Owens’ conspiratorial comments about Israel continue to pull audiences.

Together they form a feedback loop in which algorithmic reach and controversy reward edgier takes — and make it harder for party actors to draw lines.

Adding to the fray is last week’s Young Republicans leak, a Politico exposé of a Telegram chat where early-career GOP activists traded racist slurs, joked about gas chambers and praised Hitler. The episode prompted firings, the shutdown of state Young Republican chapters and bipartisan condemnation. But Vice President JD Vance downplayed the messages as immature “jokes” and urged critics to “grow up,” a stance that itself became part of the week’s debate over whether the right will police its own.

Soon after Kirk’s assassination, Rich Goldberg, a senior adviser at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a veteran of Republican politics, urged more policing on the right

Adding to the fray is last week’s Young Republicans leak, a Politico exposé of a Telegram chat where early-career GOP activists traded racist slurs, joked about gas chambers and praised Hitler. The episode prompted firings, the shutdown of state Young Republican chapters and bipartisan condemnation. But Vice President JD Vance downplayed the messages as immature “jokes” and urged critics to “grow up,” a stance that itself became part of the week’s debate over whether the right will police its own.

Soon after Kirk’s assassination, Rich Goldberg, a senior adviser at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and a veteran of Republican politics, urged more policing on the right.

More than a month later, the most important right-wing leader in the country, Donald Trump, has yet to weigh in.

But thats besides the point, my brief reference neither weighted or apologised for any of historys evil dictators, it merely equivalenced referencing of them. You mention mao and stalin together, but hitler and stalin had all sorts in common that don't apply to mao.. In fact it's hilarious how much hitler did steal from communist processes, given he pitched himself as the anti-communist. (And there's a lot in that that's never more relevant). If that triggers you then thats your own bias and/or lack of knowledge.

I'll break it down for you in simple language.

Core of Nazism is racism.

In the anglosphere only a tiny miniscule negligible fraction of people were ever communists.

In stark contrast the vast majority of people who have ever lived in the Anglosphere up to the 1960s were racist

It doesn't take a rocket scientist genius

to know communism poses no threat (it never did),

but Nazism invokes a culture of beliefs in the English speaking world that has been buried since the 1960s but rears it's ugly head in new ways.

I would therefore equally posit that your attempt to elevate historic "dangers" of communism and diminish Nazism advertises your own bias and/or lack of knowledge...loud and clear

I wouldn't call it a vast majority but in the spirit I'll let it pass, more pertinently it's not a particularly remarkable fact; most people in most countries were quite massively racist by todays western standards. I think it's incredible how far some countries have come. That you seek to impose it on a narrow band of people is quite unlearned and also quite racially biased.

The way you try to paint nazism as being some kind of peculiar english problem is absurd, given the role of the english speaking in it's defeat; one of our biggest flaws is that we haven't stopped crowing about it, much to the annoyance of the poor Kragermans, who believe it or not WERE NOT JUST ALL NAZIS EITHER. The nazi idea that took hold and resulted in them doing the terrible things did not define who they were as people and it doesn't define anyone today.

Sticking with the anglosphere (the world you and I live in) there has been a consistent belief system from the time the first pilgrims set of for the new world where the dial has barely shifted. that is white supremacy. this is quite different to identarian beliefs in the rest of the world which focus more on cultural/linguistic identity > race.

where do you think Nazi core beliefs about race came from? British and American colonial systematic race laws, segregation and eugenics were a creation of the British empire and America not born in Germany.

Deep down everyone knows when they hear Nazism it triggers a little bit of guilt for the monster our forefathers helped create. Hence why this distorted way of thinking manifests when you see a MAGA rally or anti-immigrant rally in Europe.

My thesis is white supremacy is at the heart of both Nazism and modern identity in the western world.
But don't take my word for it
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/ ... premacism/

It's perhaps no longer as overt from the pre-1960s era but as I said the dial has barely shifted. It's one important reason for the rise of both MAGA and fortress Europe fighting the coloured hordes at their doorstep. You mentioned Ukraine, despite their beef is with their brother Slavs, the Russians, it didn't stop Ukrainians turning on ethnic minorities living in Ukraine who had nothing to do with the war. Seeing the Azov brigade being allowed to flourish in Ukraine as heroes is a reminder of what Ukrainians did to innocent Jews and gypsies.

So yeah forgive me if I see far right identitarianism as more dangerous than communism.

Everyone has blood on their hands.

Yeah I don't dispute that but when you hear the same statement coming from the clowns on Nigel Farage's GB News or Fox news in the US or Sky news in Australia you know it's disingenuous. Saying everyone had slaves and everyone murdered doesn't matter with countries outside of the anglosphere who live by their own cultural values/norms and aren't going to be swayed or listen to lectures about "enlightened" moral and ethical values. It doesn't mean English speaking countries shouldn't confront how their past creates our mindset today.

Nigel Farage or Donald trump or Charlie Kirk or Douglas Murray would say let's only remember the good things of western civilisation was the product of white men and not bother with all the collateral damage. this is the very thing historians warn, when you erase history for convenience you are destined to repeat ethe same mistakes.
exhibit A - rise of fascism in the USA, everything old is new again.

^^^ where the neo-right or "woke" right fall over is their specific argument the west is under attack and European culture and values are eroding. But actually globalisation/modernisation has seen the almost complete westernisation of the entire world. even so called anti-western countries actually copy, imitate and aspire to be western. Highly developed east Asian countries have been trying to be clones of us, they want to be us, speak their language but also speak English and even deep down even look like us. Look at Dubai, Shanghai, Tokyo or Seoul they are an exercise in creating a modern western metropolis in the image of a US high tech metropolis.

Also Douglas Murray (the flag bearer for the greatness of the west) doesn't make sense, if modern western culture is so powerful and robust, built from thousands of years of development then why is it so fragile that a few desperate migrants are all it takes for west civilisation to keel over

the truth is western hegemony and European culture have never been under threat. It is the global standard. America doesn't need to be great again...it's already there, right wingers have been sold a lie.

FWIW I haven't yet laid out where I think the greatest threat to western society lies.