Are you worried about Political Correctness?

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Are you worried?
Yes! It's eroding freedom of speech! 58%  58%  [ 38 ]
No! 28%  28%  [ 18 ]
Not sure 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Other 9%  9%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 65

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14 Dec 2007, 8:36 pm

Johnnie wrote:

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I'm just not a member of the hate bush cult, the guy is trying his best and not selling out america like the last dirt bag did. He went to church also, amazingly the roof didn't fall in. :lol:


Really, wasn't it the hate-Clinton-no-matter-what cult that was formed first? When that Dumond guy raped a girl in Arkansas, the hate-Clinton group went on yammering that the guy was framed, because he was a God-fearing Republican that didn't like Bill, and the victim was a distant relative of Bill. They eventually got the guy released (with some help from Huckabee) and he goes on to rape and kill again - this time in a different state, where the cult couldn't get him released.

Huckabee's role in letting a murderer free

When America elected junior, they elected big oil. Bush did not sell out America; the voters did it to themselves. We got big oil policies. I invested in oil companies to personally offset the financial damage - hope you did too, Johnnie! I don't mind paying $3.10 a gallon, because I have a small car and a large oil stock portfolio!



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14 Dec 2007, 8:55 pm

I voted yes, but I don't worry about being PC. I just go back to basic ideas of being considerate of other people's feelings before I say something. PC is just a way of carrying the playground bullying into adulthood.


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15 Dec 2007, 8:01 am

when overdone, yes. anti racism rules are good.
but "dont criticize anyone or your going down" rules suxx0rs



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16 Dec 2007, 12:14 am

political correctness is a wrong step in the right direction. i equate it to being a dry drunk. for those of you who don't know what that is, a dry drunk is someone who quits doing drugs or alcohol cold turkey, but doesn't get to the root of why they felt the need to do them in the first place. they don't go inward and ask hard questions about their life and their choices.

political correctness strikes me in a similar way. groups ban curse words and racial slurs, but they don't get to the root of why people say them. people usually curse or use racial slurs because they're angry. the PC movement always seemed to say to me "we don't care if you're angry or disenfranchised, but can you just use different terms to express it?". they don't care about getting to the root of racism, or sexism, or homophobia. it's all surface, and you do that there's always gonna be something boiling just beneath it.


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16 Dec 2007, 12:25 am

jamesohgoodie wrote:
but they don't get to the root of why people say them. people usually curse or use racial slurs because they're angry. the PC movement always seemed to say to me "we don't care if you're angry or disenfranchised, but can you just use different terms to express it?". they don't care about getting to the root of racism, or sexism, or homophobia. it's all surface, and you do that there's always gonna be something boiling just beneath it.

I agree here in some things.
I think PC is good actually if done properly, but it is dangerous when it is wrongful used, when gone too far or taken to an extreme and taking into a subjective nature against something finding offensive, which it shouldn't be.


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17 Dec 2007, 2:41 pm

monty wrote:
Johnnie wrote:

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I'm just not a member of the hate bush cult, the guy is trying his best and not selling out america like the last dirt bag did. He went to church also, amazingly the roof didn't fall in. :lol:


Really, wasn't it the hate-Clinton-no-matter-what cult that was formed first? When that Dumond guy raped a girl in Arkansas, the hate-Clinton group went on yammering that the guy was framed, because he was a God-fearing Republican that didn't like Bill, and the victim was a distant relative of Bill. They eventually got the guy released (with some help from Huckabee) and he goes on to rape and kill again - this time in a different state, where the cult couldn't get him released.

Huckabee's role in letting a murderer free

When America elected junior, they elected big oil. Bush did not sell out America; the voters did it to themselves. We got big oil policies. I invested in oil companies to personally offset the financial damage - hope you did too, Johnnie! I don't mind paying $3.10 a gallon, because I have a small car and a large oil stock portfolio!


you are mistaking the make fun of clintoon club for a hate group, he was a joke.

William Jefferson Clinton/Rockefeller

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1933220/posts

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... nindex.htm

Bill Rockefeller Clinton raises taxes and makes for a strong dollar and cheap oil. Allows the Rockefeller standard oil to merge back together and we have exxon/mobil. Every fool in the country that can afford to builds a 4,000 square foot home 50 miles from their job and buy a 12mpg SUV to commute with. Under comrade clinton imports of oil double. Once consumption outstrips the capacity of the refiners oil takes off

911 got me, everyone can guess what was behind it, but it sure made oil prices go even higher.
All anyone can do is guess how Bush effected oil prices, but it's a fact demand went up because of clintoons policies. The price of fuel was going up before 911. People can guess Bush made it worse or guess he stopped a madman in his tracks and be thankful we aren't paying $10 a gallon for fuel.

anyone in office in Arkansas is a puppet of the rockefeller clan. If anyone thinks wal-mart, tyson foods which controls most of the chicken,beef & pork market and JB Hunt trucking where just more cleaver than other businessman and became the powerhouses they did, must believe in fairy tales also. Big money is behind them and the Walton clan owns 1% of wal-mart

clintoon also allowed the railroad mergers to go throw to streamline wal-marts supply chain to china.

tyson foods is probably the single largest employer of illegal immigrants in the nation, it was nothing more than union busting is meat packing. JB Hunt union busting in trucking. Wal-mart union busting in trucking & warehousing.

what the dems like clinton & ted kennedy & carter have done to the working class is unreal.



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17 Dec 2007, 3:19 pm

jamesohgoodie wrote:
political correctness is a wrong step in the right direction. i equate it to being a dry drunk. for those of you who don't know what that is, a dry drunk is someone who quits doing drugs or alcohol cold turkey, but doesn't get to the root of why they felt the need to do them in the first place. they don't go inward and ask hard questions about their life and their choices.

political correctness strikes me in a similar way. groups ban curse words and racial slurs, but they don't get to the root of why people say them. people usually curse or use racial slurs because they're angry. the PC movement always seemed to say to me "we don't care if you're angry or disenfranchised, but can you just use different terms to express it?". they don't care about getting to the root of racism, or sexism, or homophobia. it's all surface, and you do that there's always gonna be something boiling just beneath it.


Yep, exactly. Suppressing the symptoms just drives the bigotry underground and breeds reactionary resentment, it does nothing to actually fix the root of the problem, which, IMO, is generally of a socioeconomic nature.


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20 Dec 2007, 2:16 pm

Here is a difficult topic.

I'm not sure of the origin of the term political correctness.
I should research it before going any further. But before I do I am wondering whether this term is some sort of sarcastic slur for the use of less controversial terminology used to describe persons and groups who have historically been disenfranchised. PC may indeed be a wrong step in the right direction, according to the poster designated as Jamesohgoodie. Further research on my part may include alternatives to both the term and the concept of political correctness.



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20 Dec 2007, 5:31 pm

sartresue wrote:
Here is a difficult topic.

I'm not sure of the origin of the term political correctness.
I should research it before going any further. But before I do I am wondering whether this term is some sort of sarcastic slur for the use of less controversial terminology used to describe persons and groups who have historically been disenfranchised. PC may indeed be a wrong step in the right direction, according to the poster designated as Jamesohgoodie. Further research on my part may include alternatives to both the term and the concept of political correctness.


IIRC the term originated in Marxist-Leninist circles and was basically a nice-sounding term for commie ideological groupthink.


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06 Mar 2008, 5:36 pm

99% of "political correctness" is just being polite and not speaking about people we don't know very well or not being able to bash people we have negative stereotypes about. The other 1% is silly but nothing to worry about.

The more political correctness, the more moral correctness, the more moral correctness the more truth.



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06 Mar 2008, 7:16 pm

Bobby1933 wrote:
99% of "political correctness" is just being polite and not speaking about people we don't know very well or not being able to bash people we have negative stereotypes about. The other 1% is silly but nothing to worry about.

The more political correctness, the more moral correctness, the more moral correctness the more truth.


No, because PCness requires sensoring the truth for fear of offending people. I do not find double standards "moral" or "progressive" because of something my forefathers did over 200 yrs ago.

examples of dangerous PCness:
1. Man-hating femiNAZI organizations
2. Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson/Louis Farrakhan "kill wh***y" crap
3. Making any disagreement with any minority into a race issue, such as the illegal immigration problem. Many PC followers are obviously willing to put their own wellfaire on back burner to avoid offending people by making them accept their own responsibility or criticism. Now some jobs require us to learn Spanish.... Sorry but no, theyr moving to our country, they should learn our language. That isn't "racist". Could you imagine if a white man moved to Japan and demanded everyone learn English to accomodate him?

I just don't see how flipping the script on innocent people, for the actions of their ancestors, is "progressive"... or even for what other whites or men do today. That in itself is a racist/sexist attitude, against whites/males. PCness is a lazy minded, hypocritical way of tackling the problems. As someone else stated, it's a wrong step in the right direction.



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07 Mar 2008, 11:54 pm

I'm sorry, Snake 321, but your last post supports my point exactly.

The search for truth does not require the insulting of human beings.

Just because we act stupid, doesn't mean we are stupid.

I can say a person lied without calling him a liar. (Maybe he told the truth once, when I wasn't listening.)

Political correctness has taught me to respect people whom I have previously stereotyped. I won't even stereotype you. You might even be "innocentz" and if not, I don't care. Almost all of us are guilty of something.



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08 Mar 2008, 3:51 am

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I'm sorry, Snake 321, but your last post supports my point exactly.

The search for truth does not require the insulting of human beings.

Just because we act stupid, doesn't mean we are stupid.

I can say a person lied without calling him a liar. (Maybe he told the truth once, when I wasn't listening.)

Political correctness has taught me to respect people whom I have previously stereotyped. I won't even stereotype you. You might even be "innocentz" and if not, I don't care. Almost all of us are guilty of something.


Point is, PCness sensors the truth to avoid offending people. Some times facts might offend people. The facts are not biased, and do not take anyone's side. But people become overly emotional when the facts don't support their conclusions. And they can't handle the truth of the matter.
PCness is little more than reverse bigotry, that's all it is. It's double standards against the majorities (whites and males). If you think man hating feminazis who seem to think sex is sexist unless it's 2 lesbians, and "kill wh***y" black seperatists such as farakhan, or sharpton, are "progressive", you need your head checked.
Once again, PCness sensors the truth, to avoid offending people. Minorities aren't always right just because they are minorities. Sometimes they can be wrong. Theyr just as human as whites/males are. PCness is a lazy minded "I don't wanna think so it's easier just to take sides against white/male" attitude. I know, your probably white and male, but you probably loath yourself more to fit in with the "left wing" paradigm.
It's just as ignorant and just as short sited as the red neck theocratic republicans you probably like to talk about. And yes, they are also ignorant, I'm not denying that. But this is all just divide and conquor.... Right is biased against minorities, left is biased against majorities. People care more about being involved in a social clique than looking at the facts objectively.

See what GE foods and pop culture do to your brain?

*pulls out an egg* -- "This is your brain"
*throws egg in frying pan*-- "This is your brain on mainstream propaganda pop culture air waves. Any questions?"



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08 Mar 2008, 4:19 am

People who cling to doctrines and ideologies do not want to know the truth. People who cling, cling for conformity. Clingers don't care what is true, they can make themselves believe anything is true. No doctrine or ideology is full-proof. And when someone uses such an ideology to define themselves, then they are unable to question that doctrine or ideology, and pretend as if that doctrine has no faults. All doctrines have faults.
Life is not about finding yourself Bobby. Life is about CREATING yourself. Are your ideas really yours? Or are they reverberations of your indoctrinations? Do you share your general views with many others? Did you get your views from glossy celebrities and politicians? Did you get them from the media, or pop culture?
Why follow a faulty doctrine? Why not just take the good parts from it and throw away the rest? Why not be an individual? Why not **really** be open minded (and not pretend, like this PC crap)? Why must people care what others think of them? That isn't freedom. That's being a slave to the opinions of others, and not asking questions. Tell me Bobby, what do YOU think, not what anyone else thinks, or anyone else has taught you to think. But what do YOU (an individual) **really** think, bias and fear of alienation/isolation removed?
Are you brave enough Bobby? Are you brave enough to open Pandora's Box? Are you brave enough to venture into the unknown? Are you brave enough to stand alone? I've opened the box Bobby, I've seen what comes out of it. Are you brave enough to open it?
If your not willing or brave enough to take that step, then you are not ready to discuss these things with me. I'd say the same to right wingers on here. If your not brave enough to question a doctrine or a belief, not brave enough to view yourself critically, then your not looking for the truth, and your not ready to hear what I have to say. Just keep sleeping, maybe some day you will wake up and be ready to discuss these things. I have done all these things.
As I stated, political correctness is a wrong step in the right direction.



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08 Mar 2008, 12:57 pm

Cyanide wrote:
anti-male things will stay in place though.



Can someone please explain to me what the "anti-male thing" is?



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08 Mar 2008, 1:03 pm

grain-and-field wrote:
Cyanide wrote:
anti-male things will stay in place though.



Can someone please explain to me what the "anti-male thing" is?


Probably referring to feminazis and how some jobs will hire women and minorities over white guys. Don't know for sure though.

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