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"GROUND ZERO' AT THE WTC WAS A TERM COINED BY THE MEDIA, NOT ANY LEVEL OF GVERNMENT AGENCY!


I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT WHAT WENT ON IN CHILE, BUT NICARAGUA, VIETNAM, AND AFGHANISTAN WERE LEGITIMATE EFFORTS TO SLOW AND EVENTUALLY STOP THE EXPANSION OF COMMUNISM...AND IT WORKED!! ! NOT ONLY DID IT STOP THE EXPANSION, BUT IT ALSO HASTENED IT'S DEMISE! CONSIDERING THE RISK OF A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST THAT THE COLD WAR CREATED, THAT WOULD HAVE MADE KILLING TEN TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE IN THOSE WARS AND CONDUCTING TWICE AS MANY BLACK OPS JUSTIFIABLE IF IT COULD HAVE HELPED PREVENT AN ALL OUT NUCLEAR WAR BETWEEN THE SUPERPOWERS AND THEIR ALLIES! DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE NUCLEAR EXCHANGE AT THE END OF TERMINATOR 3? THERE WERE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE IRON CURTAIN WITH THEIR FINGERS OVER THE LAUNCH BUTTON ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS READY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE, AND KENNEDY, REGAN, AND A FEW OTHER VISIONARY LEADERS HAD THE STOMACH TO DO THE UNPLEASANT TASKS NEEDED TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING BY FORCIBLY STOPPING THE EXPANSION OF COMMUNISM!! !

The Communist vietcong won the war in vietnam (the Nixon White House promised the south they wouldnt abandon them if they signed on to the peace accord but they did abandon them however). The CIA had ordered the attacking of "soft civillian targets" in Nicuragua and actions there supporting the brutal right-wingers and the insurgency in Afghanistan were illegal and indeed the USA has commited acts of terrorism under international law.

It isnt black and white however, there was a cold war which led both sides to play dirty and the Communist side indeed commited illegal acts themselves to help Communist regimes like the supplies of weaponry to the vietcong for instance.

The Communist Soviet Union was mainly brought down by economics and corruption not by acts of war as some would have us believe.

America is an Ideal. This Ideal that even this WORLD ENVIES. YOU ALL ENVY AMERICA.

Only somebody truly ignorant or someone who is trying to manipulate the truly ignorant would claim their country is an ideal, which one are you?

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Russia was hardly affected by Vietnam. I think Russia made a proffit off the war.
China was the main communist country affected and where are they today?
Not to mention Burma.

Afghanistan was actually a good idea just not in practice.
They affected Russia directly which was definately a good idea.
Many nearby Arab Nations, releasing their extremist prisoners to fight in Afghanistan?
No wonder it turned out so bad recently.

The most legitimate course of action was Korea, we were so close to having a united Korea.

I heard a rumour that American troops attacked Haiti and removed their president from power and estabolished a dictator 4 months ago. Unfounded?

America is an Ideal cause it is the freest society on this World that is what I mean.

You got to remember eamonn that America freed it self from the British Scotland has not.

So who is ignorant of their country You or Me.

NOw if we can free ourselfs from George Bush and the southern Baptists we will have it knocked...................

I still think it is you. Do you understand that the word ideal means perfect or a model of perfection? That means that the statement you made is ignorant for anyone from any country to say because humans arent perfect.

I already knew Scotland was part of Britain and that the French and the US with a lots of soldiers of high and low ranks from lots of nationalities beat a British army (that had not long been out of a costly war with the French in which depleted them and Britain had lots of other countries to keep a hold of as part of the British Empire and soldiers deployed elsewhere, it's not like the US beat the whole might of British at the time as that wouldnt have been likely atall) to create American independance.

Scotland voted to join England and become part of Britain. Do you mean free ourselves from England as we are Britain just as much as England is? We dont need to as we arent forced to stay a part of the UK. Right now most Scot's want to stay part of Britain and we have our own parliament up here. You however claim to be green and pro-gay right and then say that you're country is an ideal and the most free society in the world. The patriot and other acts prove this not to be the case.

I can walk down any street in Scotland (during the day) and not worry about racial attacks because there are no no-go areas for any races here because we dont have as big a race and class devide as you 'free' people do. You're 'right' to bare arms also takes all rights away from the 14,000-18,00 people that die by the gun in the good ol US of A every year. What you posted about America being an ideal and anyone who critisizes it being jealous is a fallacy and anunneducated comment but dont let facts get in the way of patriotism and brainwashing! I dont claim to be massively intelligent but i wouldnt vote an incoherent bumbler with an agenda against minorities into power and neither would most of the rest of the 'free' world.

Let's just admit that you kevv made an ignorant statement about the US being an "ideal" and about the people here that critisized the US being jealous and followed it up with another one saying that you're comment about the US being ideal was intellectually valid and making out that IM ignorant of MY country. I didnt allege that Scotland isnt a part of Britain. You're statement about me being ignorant of my country could hardly have been any more ironic!

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An Idea does not have to be PERFECT.

The 13 colonies may have hoped for a more perfect union.

We both know that no country is PERFECT.

Not Mine or Yours.

You can be apart of any Country You want to be apart of it does not matter to Me.

Yes America has its Problems so does the UK.

Calling me ignorant I don't see were I was.

Maybe i should have said that you're statement was ignorant. I believe it was as ideal means perfect and you agreed the US isnt. I also think it is unjustified to say we all envy the US just because we have criticisms. I criticize many other countries policies and it is out of my beliefs, not out of envy that i criticize the US. I am grateful that i dont stay there because a lot of my beliefs are in even bigger contradiction to US policies than British ones.

There is also the fact that the USA is the worlds most powerful country right now and are big news. When the British were the most powerful nation on earth you can be sure there was plenty of criticisms of how they handled things from people all over the world and those British who werent blinded by xenophobia or patriotism.

Bush might be totally wrong or right in what he is doing.

Even I do not totally agree what he is doing.

But he is the president until 2009.

He sees what he sees.

Even Tony Blair has British troops in Iraq.

The World might have been different if 9-11 never happened.

Being the ONLY SUPERPOWER has its disadvantages so true,even the British Empire had its disadvantages too.

Only? Keep an eye on China, my advice, DON'T Blink!

I just got back from Tokyo a week ago. If I had to describe it in terms of other cities, I'd be more likely to say it's a cross between Shanghai and Paris.

To be fair, though, one of the reasons China has so few people in prison is because they execute people for non-violent crimes. It also helps that the PRC is effectively a police state (IE: you can't go *anywhere* without seeing police and/or army personnel watching everyone). Beijing may be the safest city on the planet for a tourist because the petty crime rate is almost zero, but that comes at a significant cost to the citizens in terms of personal liberty.

China has a long ways to go to become a SUPERPOWER.

REASON WHY

It does not have a GLOBAL NAVY like the US does. It would need to project its self militarily, it does not yet have this ability. It is a regional power only.

Its a BIG region, and its already shown itself to be a lot better managed than the old Soviets could dream about.

why do you think the shrub is so adamnet to get back to the moon, you can be sure China will be there soon.


If China stops trading with us we are going to crash SOO SOO hard.......