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18 Nov 2010, 3:59 pm

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The matter has already been tried, before no less a forum than the Supreme Court of the United States: Butler v. Perry (1916) 240 U.S. 328 (S.C.)

"Separate but equal" was considered constitutional at that time, too. Even the Supreme Court makes mistakes.

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18 Nov 2010, 4:40 pm

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Suppose you did not feel like showing up for the venire?
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Then just tell them that you approve of actual slavery.

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18 Nov 2010, 4:44 pm

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I have been called for jury duty 3 times so far in my life and have served a total of 8 hours, for which I was paid.

You might want to follow the thread. Sand is specifically arguing against my suggestion that jury duty be paid. I was the one advocating payment. Hopefully that will help resolve your bafflement.

My bafflement is not about the petty cash. It's about equating the horrors of actual slavery to a slight inconvenience once every few years or so. Apples and shoes.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:14 pm

Prison is slavery; jury duty is a compulsory citizen duty.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:15 pm

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Prison is slavery; jury duty is a compulsory citizen duty.

Which is involuntary servitude. That is illegal under the 13th Amendment.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:23 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

Prison is slavery; jury duty is a compulsory citizen duty.

Which is involuntary servitude. That is illegal under the 13th Amendment.

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Yeah, of course you'd have everything against any kind of civic responsibility.

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18 Nov 2010, 5:29 pm

psychohist wrote:

"Separate but equal" was considered constitutional at that time, too. Even the Supreme Court makes mistakes.

Which is why my post went on to say,

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until the Supreme Court sees fit to reverse itself.

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18 Nov 2010, 8:43 pm

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

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Prison is slavery; jury duty is a compulsory citizen duty.

Which is involuntary servitude. That is illegal under the 13th Amendment.

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Yeah, of course you'd have everything against any kind of civic responsibility.

I am all in favor of civic responsibility. I am against involuntary servitude. Why not have voluntary juries? We have volunteer police forces, fire departments, military. Why is jury service an exception?

You have people volunteering for jury service. If they are qualified for a case they are chosen and they are paid a reasonable sum for their time in service. We can limit the number of times a citizen can volunteer in a time period so people do not make a career out of jury service.

What is special about jury service that it has to be compelled under threat of jail or fines?

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18 Nov 2010, 9:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Prison is slavery; jury duty is a compulsory citizen duty.

Which is involuntary servitude. That is illegal under the 13th Amendment.

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Yeah, of course you'd have everything against any kind of civic responsibility.

All citizens benefit from having juries. Just as all citizens pay taxes involuntarily there are many vital functions of government that all citizens should be responsible to perform. Money is not the only value government should require from good citizens.

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18 Nov 2010, 9:26 pm

Sand wrote:

All citizens benefit from having cops, soldiers and firemen. So why is jury service different?

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18 Nov 2010, 10:39 pm

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All citizens benefit from having cops, soldiers and firemen. So why is jury service different?

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Because there is no such thing as a professional juror. No one needs to train to qualify to be a juror.

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19 Nov 2010, 12:39 am

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psychohist wrote:

My bafflement is not about the petty cash. It's about equating the horrors of actual slavery to a slight inconvenience once every few years or so. Apples and shoes.

(1) It's not "petty cash" when it's the difference between feeding and caring for your children for those days and not doing so, which is sometimes the case.

(2) It may be a slight inconvenience to you, but don't make the mistake of assuming everyone else is like you. For some, even lifetime slavery might be a blessing for the security it brings; that doesn't make it something other than slavery.

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19 Nov 2010, 12:40 am

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Because there is no such thing as a professional juror. No one needs to train to qualify to be a juror.

My understanding is that the Italian system basically uses professional jurors.

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19 Nov 2010, 7:15 am

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Because there is no such thing as a professional juror. No one needs to train to qualify to be a juror.

To be a juror one must be able to read write, speak and do logic. This requires training. Barbarians would not be qualified to be jurors.

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19 Nov 2010, 8:51 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Because there is no such thing as a professional juror. No one needs to train to qualify to be a juror.

To be a juror one must be able to read write, speak and do logic. This requires training. Barbarians would not be qualified to be jurors.

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On that basic I doubt you would qualify since I have never run across anybody with more barbaric social outlooks than you.

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19 Nov 2010, 10:08 am

psychohist wrote:

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psychohist wrote:

My bafflement is not about the petty cash. It's about equating the horrors of actual slavery to a slight inconvenience once every few years or so. Apples and shoes.

On (1), if serving as a juror is documented to bring about any economic hardship, then the juror is excused.

And (2), slavery = blessing ?!

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