Could Obama be the Antichrist?

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23 Mar 2008, 11:18 pm

They said Khrushchev was the antichrist. They said the Ayatollah Khomeini was the antichrist. They said Saddam Hussein was the antichrist. They said Bill Clinton was the anichrist. They said George Bush was the antichrist. If you're a public figure, somebody is going to say you're the antichrist. Judging by how many times that somebody has been wrong and the accused have died before bringing hellfire and damnation, I would say that anyone who says anyone is the antichrist is very likely to be wrong.

I myself view Revelations as less of a prophecy and more of an allegory. The antichrist is not a person in the traditional sense. The antichrist is the force of human cruelty. Every war, every genocide, every broken home, every famine, and every rape is its own apocalypse; Every mean person is their own antichrist. Obama is the antichrist because he is human, and we are all the antichrist. Given, we are all Christ , too. That is called Good and Evil.

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23 Mar 2008, 11:41 pm

MissPickwickian wrote:

I myself view Revelations as less of a prophecy and more of an allegory.

A lot of people have told me they thought St John the Divine "must have been high on something when he wrote that." Usually this was said with admiration, and nonbelief.

MissPickwickian wrote:

The antichrist is not a person in the traditional sense. The antichrist is the force of human cruelty. Every war, every genocide, every broken home, every famine, and every rape is its own apocalypse; Every mean person is their own antichrist. Obama is the antichrist because he is human, and we are all the antichrist. Given, we are all Christ , too. That is called Good and Evil.

And that reminds me of Nietzsche's superb book "Jenseits von Gut und Boese" (Beyond Good and Evil"). Nietzsche is really good at sorting out all kinds of religious gibberish, and explaining why the Christian variety is so awful -- for him, that is, and others like him, because, of course, the splendor or awfulness of a religion is relative, too.

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24 Mar 2008, 12:46 am

zendell wrote:

monty wrote:

zendell wrote:

One of Satan's strategies is to get his followers to pretend to be Christians by calling themselves Christians and teaching some of what Jesus taught but changing some parts of it to corrupt it and deceive others. I think the gnostics created the fake gospel to get people to question the teaching of the church to turn people away from Christianity and toward the path to Hell. It's the same as people today who call themselves Christians and claim to follow Jesus and the Bible but change the teaching on salvation to say that only faith is required.

Christians have never really agreed on what Jesus did, said, or what it all means. There have always been a variety of scriptures and interpretations, and the major church has always tried to stamp out things it didn't like.

The gnostics stamped Christianity with their ideas. So did the Trinitarians. The Trinitarians won, so the pre-existing Greek idea of a tri-partite God made it into the scriptures that were adopted. The gnostics were pushed out into the wilderness and faded out.

If God really spoke through Jesus to deliver his message and teach everyone the path to salvation, then I'm sure God would have preserved his teaching so that everyone could benefit from it. That is the best evidence against gnostism and also Protestantism.

Following that same logic, if God really spoke through Moses to provide guidance to His people, surely He would have preserved His teachings so that everyone could benefit from it, thus rendering a Christ unnecessary...

...perhaps the logic is in error?

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24 Mar 2008, 1:46 am

:lol: :roll:

You people seriously need to Get A Life ......Its true. :mrgreen:

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And THAT my friend is why the jews do not accept the divinity of Jesus nor acknowledge him as the Messiah!

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24 Mar 2008, 2:56 am

"Following that same logic... and that is why the Jews...."

That is both messed up and an insult to the Jews saying they can't think properly.

I do not agree.

People that follow handed down traditions rather than seeking out the truth are going to stay in their rut. However, upon finding the truth, they will either get into a new rut or stay in the old one if it is confirmed. Assuming however that factual integrity is a virtue they hold, this will be. If not, the options are infinite.

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24 Mar 2008, 7:39 am

MissPickwickian wrote:

Good point. And the Bible says that false prophets should be put to death - I bet TV preachers are glad that one isn't enforced.

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24 Mar 2008, 9:08 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, I shouldve realized- this is perchance a Golden Oppertunity for Obama's opponents! :mrgreen:
Hilary should take notice of this before McCain does :lol: . This is an excellent way to get the religious nutbars as well as perhaps mainstream american christians to vote against Obama.

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24 Mar 2008, 9:51 pm

D1nk0 wrote:

:lol:

You people seriously need to Get A Life

......Its true. :mrgreen:

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And THAT my friend is why the jews do not accept the divinity of Jesus nor acknowledge him as the Messiah!

Moses' teachings were preserved. However, I don't understand why you think the preservation of his teaching would render a Christ unnecessary.

I think Moses said to follow the Messiah. I think the Old Covenant was preparation for the new final covenant that the Messiah would make with all mankind. Therefore, those who follow Moses must follow the Messiah and those who reject the teachings of the Messiah are rejecting the teaching of Moses.

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30 Mar 2008, 3:16 pm

Ragtime wrote:

By the way, why do people say Obama is black? He's not black, he's mixed. His mother was a white American, and his father was a black Kenyan. He is no more black than white, so why do most people say he's black? Why not use the more accurate term mulatto, which means descended from a white parent and a black parent?

I'll answer this question. Because he's a member of the black community, he's married to a black woman, and because he thinks of himself as black. I'm 1/8 Native American but self-identify as white because I don't think of myself as multi-racial and don't have any connection to the native american community.

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03 Apr 2008, 11:34 pm

KRIZDA88 wrote:

Here is an excerpt from Daniel first is his vision and next is the interpretation, maybe it will help clarify some things...

Basically the anti-christ is Satan's attempt at out doing Christ, God will allow it to succeed for a few years and then it will be overthrown and thrown into "the lake of fire" this will be the begining of satan's ultimate defeat when God will get rid of him once and for all. We can only speculate as to why so many things have to happen before God makes his ultimate attack against Satan, but as christians we trust he knows what he's doing. It's a bit ironic because my dad is currently taking our sunday school through the book of Daniel, which in many ways is easier to understand than revelation yet parallels it in the prophecies of the end times.
Dan 7:7-12

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You're wrong in the interpretation of Daniel 7. According to Rashi, the fourth beast was Rome, and the "small horn" was Titus, who destroyed the Temple. Rashi says the same for Daniel 8.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... pter-7.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_c ... pter-8.htm

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03 Apr 2008, 11:56 pm

Ragtime wrote:

He doesn't come from the Roman Empire, so no. The antichrist will be a European leader. I'm guessing whoever is Pope at the time will be the "false prophet", the man who introduces the antichrist. The Pope is in an easy position to do that, because everyone knows him, and everyone knows he claims to be in tune with God. So he can just say, "Here he is, everyone" (points to antichrist) "This is God incarnate!"

That idea might have something to it. After all, the Catholic Church is the post-pagan incarnation of the Roman Empire, and it was Rome that would be vanquished. However, I can sum up the prophecy of Daniel 7-8 in a simple tune that we will soon be singing around our seder tables:

Then came the Holy One, blessed be He!
And destroyed the Angel of death,
that killed the butcher that slew the ox,
that drank the water that quenched the fire,
that burned the stick that beat the dog,
that bit the cat that ate the kid,
My father bought for two zuzim.
Chad gadya, chad gadya.

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04 Apr 2008, 12:00 am

greenblue wrote:

zendell wrote:

IMO, there is no way Obama could be the antichrist because I don't think he fulfills the prophecies written about the antichrist. Why do some people think Obama might be the antichrist? I can't think of any reasons.

Why do they think of a single person to be the antichrist?

An old interesting interpretation of the Bible, is related to the beast with 10 horns mentioned in the book of Daniel, according to this interpretation, the 10 horns represent Europe, which never can be unified, which were also represented by the feet from the giant statue also mentioned in Daniel, then there is this another horn which is bigger than the others, (Daniel 7:20) which it represents the USA.

And that interpretation is wrong. The ten horns, according to the Biblical commentary of Rashi, represent the ten rulers of Rome prior to the ascent of Vespasian (the "smaller horn").

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04 Apr 2008, 9:46 am

Could it be that some mental Christians somewhere just don't want "that damned n****r" as president?

What's the name of that church... the one full of small-minded people who get a bit of stick in the press for gay-bashing? Blame people like that