Ah, yet more sanity from Hamas...

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Hamas advocates that children become murderers. How shocked are you, on a scale of 1 to 10?

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Total votes : 31

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07 Apr 2008, 2:09 pm

Ragtime , really ...why you don't leave the US and live in Israel? Since the Israelis are all saints and since the Palestinians are the only evil side so a Christian Zionist as you must be interested to live in Israel to fight the evil heretics. (and once you kick out all Palestinians you start leading a Christian Zionist movement to kick out the Jews or to convert them to christians.)

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07 Apr 2008, 2:11 pm

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I suggest you familiarize yourself with the truth of the history of Israel, and the fact that it is a democracy in which Arabs thrive more than in any other country in the Middle East. Why do you think they remain there by choice? Free democracies (i.e. Israel) typically do thrive over totalitarian dictatorships (i.e. the Arab countries), by the way. If the Palestinians were under genecodial terror by the Israelis, why would they still choose to remain in Israel when every neighboring country is run by their fellow Arab Muslims? That would be like if Nazi Germany were surrounded by Israeli countries on every border, and yet the Jews choose to remain in Nazi Germany rather than a next-door country of other Jews. Obviously, that would never happen.
So logically, Israel must be treating the Palestinians fairly well.

Arabs' ideal democracy is Lebanon , not Israel.

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07 Apr 2008, 3:35 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:

Since the Israelis are all saints and since the Palestinians are the only evil side...

I'll answer this with your own quote:

LePetitPrince wrote:

You are simplifying and ridiculing the matter.

I don't think all Israelis are saints, or anything close to that.

What I believe is that people should not bomb other people.

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...a Christian Zionist as you must be interested to live in Israel to fight the evil heretics. (and once you kick out all Palestinians you start leading a Christian Zionist movement to kick out the Jews or to convert them to christians.)

I told you specifically, very recently, on this open forum, that I don't want to kick out the Palestinians, because there's no reason to do that if they can simply stop blowing people up, and instead join Israeli society as productive members. I don't know, maybe they just find democracy inherently foreign. And if so, maybe they have a basic desire to be told what to do by dictating terrorists like Hamas. Such seems likely, by a quick survey of the other 22 Arab countries. Some Iraqis want Iraq to be turned into a democracy, but, amazingly, many do not. Many want Saddam back, apparently to continue his abusing and controlling them.

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07 Apr 2008, 4:15 pm

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A children's puppet show featured on Hamas TV shows a child stabbing President Bush to death.

"Who are you to come here and threaten me?" Bush says in the puppet show video. "You are on my own turf, you little child, you. Get out."

The child tells Bush that he killed his father in the Iraq war, which made him an orphan.

"I have come to take revenge with this sword — revenge for my mother and my sisters," the child puppet says. "You are a criminal, Bush."

"I will kill you, Bush, because that is your fate," the child says before stabbing Bush repeatedly.

The show aired on Al-Aqsa TV on March 30.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343850,00.html

I know, it's amazing, isn't it? Hamas advocating murder. Shocking, just shocking! :roll:

How shocked are you, on a scale of 1 to 10?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=86628&title=martyrdom-mouse

Indeed, sweet kids' shows there :roll:

"I'm sure it was something about sharing?" *lol*

It's really interesting that even though according to people who actually try to justify such kind of shows (the motivation of which is beyond me) Israel/Jews is/are supposed to be so evil that the anti-Judaism among some Arab kids comes automatically so to say, Hamas and Co. still have to try so hard to brainwash the Arab/Muslim kids into hating them...I mean, if it came automatically, then why all the effort?

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07 Apr 2008, 4:44 pm

risingphoenix wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343850,00.html

I know, it's amazing, isn't it? Hamas advocating murder. Shocking, just shocking! :roll:

How shocked are you, on a scale of 1 to 10?

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=86628&title=martyrdom-mouse

Indeed, sweet kids' shows there :roll:

"I'm sure it was something about sharing?" *lol*

Good point.

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07 Apr 2008, 5:17 pm

Here's an example of unbiased media:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=TrieBhaGgHM[/youtube]

:roll:

[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=FsuF1it68tg[/youtube]

:roll:

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07 Apr 2008, 5:27 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Ya, ya, ya... :roll:

even in an AS thread there's the sarcasm...

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I suggest you familiarize yourself with the truth of the history of Israel, and the fact that it is a democracy in which Arabs thrive more than in any other country in the Middle East.

it has to do because the US overthrew the other democracies or destroyed the other resistance movements in the Middle East, directly or Indirectly (see Lebanon for one, and Iran)

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Why do you think they remain there by choice? Free democracies (i.e. Israel) typically do thrive over totalitarian dictatorships (i.e. the Arab countries), by the way.

the same way the US overthrew 'free, SOCIALIST democracies' in the Middle East (see Iran under Mossadegh before overthrow by the CIA) for a pro-US dictatorship who had secret police and the like.

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If the Palestinians were under genecodial terror by the Israelis, why would they still choose to remain in Israel when every neighboring country is run by their fellow Arab Muslims?

You mean like when the Palestinians fled when Israel formed because-rightly so the Israelis bombed and destroyed Palestinian villages and then killed and raped all the inhabitants?

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So logically, Israel must be treating the Palestinians fairly well.

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This constant propaganda of victimhood by the Palestinians is pathetic, but it does get them world-wide funding, because the Palestinians are such expert liars.

Next time the Zionists should not have thrown the first shot (Irgun and Stern Zionist terrorists in British Palestine)

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07 Apr 2008, 5:33 pm

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Hamas and Co. still have to try so hard to brainwash the Arab/Muslim kids into hating them...I mean, if it came automatically, then why all the effort?

The same reason Americans like to hammer in their youth about "the evils of Naziism and Communism" on Television shows, Comics and the like. American Television, Animation and Comics were the exact way.

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Here's an example of unbiased media

And Superman "Fighting for the American Way", those propaganda childrens' books talking about a belief in the Christian God and american nationalism, the forced Salute to the US flag until ~1941, etc is better?

the hipocrisy is interesting

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07 Apr 2008, 5:46 pm

Warsie wrote:

risingphoenix wrote:

Hamas and Co. still have to try so hard to brainwash the Arab/Muslim kids into hating them...I mean, if it came automatically, then why all the effort?

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Here's an example of unbiased media

Trying to equivocate Captain America with Farfour and the Jihad Bee? Good luck!

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07 Apr 2008, 5:46 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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All Israel is doing by percecuting the Palestinians is making them hate Jewish people more and thus creating more nutcase terrorists.

They're not persecuting the Palestinians.

Have a read about the Israeli settlements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement

I think once Israel pulls them all out and leave the Palestinians alone then you will see a reduction in terrorism and hatred.

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07 Apr 2008, 5:50 pm

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Trying to equivocate Captain America with Farfour and the Jihad Bee? Good luck!

I don't have to "try", they do an easy job doing it themselves. See the American Animation parodies of the Nazis and Japanese during WW2. Or comic superheroes during the early part of the Vietnam war fighting against the red scare of 'Communism'.

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07 Apr 2008, 5:56 pm

Warsie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Trying to equivocate Captain America with Farfour and the Jihad Bee? Good luck!

So what is the difference between personal violence and killing as a soldier?

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07 Apr 2008, 5:56 pm

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So what is the difference between personal violence and killing as a soldier?

one is sanctioned by a government.

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07 Apr 2008, 6:05 pm

Warsie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

So what is the difference between personal violence and killing as a soldier?

one is sanctioned by a government.

Ah, and one is sanctioned by Hamas. So, it is equivalent?

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08 Apr 2008, 12:37 am

The Palistinean-Israeli conflict is one of the most ret*d wars ever. As long as extremists let their religion think for them there’s never going to be a solution. The Jews and Arabs need to grow up. The “my imaginary friend in the sky says this land belongs to me so f*ck you” attitude is such puerile crap.

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08 Apr 2008, 3:02 am

Warsie wrote:

risingphoenix wrote:

Hamas and Co. still have to try so hard to brainwash the Arab/Muslim kids into hating them...I mean, if it came automatically, then why all the effort?

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Here's an example of unbiased media

I don't know these shows, so I cannot really say anything about them, but generally I would agree that any political, especially blunt propaganda, content has no place in children's shows.
However, to say that "Teaching children that Nazism is evil = "Teaching children that all Jews are evil" shows a really concerningly distorted sense of morality. Teaching kids that evil is indeed evil is not the same as teaching them that any whole group of people is evil. Also I very highly doubt that during WW2 any American kid was ever encouraged on tv to "kill the Germans". In free societies children do not get abused for war like that.
Though I wonder, those who think that these Hamas shows are ok, do they also support then what the shows ask for? I.e., when then after watching some Palestinian children go out and actually grab a weapon to fight the Israeli soldiers as the shows tell them to do, do you find that good? Admittedly it sounds heroic of course and makes great propaganda on the media, but think about if the child loses in the fight...no wait, makes great propaganda too to be able to hold children's corpses into the camera and tell the world how "the Zionists are murdering innocent children".

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