Bush admits revelations from God!! !!
I fully agree with you that it is a mistake to side with one dictator over another, and that the US has been guilty of just that. As I pointed out above, however, this has been going on for decades. Really, since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the end of World War I when Iraq was created as an artificial state by Western Europe.
Yes western Europe and Britain have done unjustified and evil actions in the past and recent past. The US partly have their European and Christian past to thank for their pontificating and abuse of power. Every government has their seedy side. This doesnt justify any US actions however.
I believe that there was some deliberate targetting of civillians because all the talk coming from the soldiers before the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were of revenge over 9/11. I believe probably most of the civvilian deaths was down to incompetence but not all. Pretty much every war has involved the targetting of civillians this century including by the 'allies'. It has been used effectively to spread fear and panic to win wars, including world war 2 and vietnam. Cluster bombs where used in Afghanistan and i think Iraq as well but id need to re-check.
Face facts, most western soldiers are just as prepared to commit murder as those in the Iraq insurgency. Sometimes the murderers are from our 'beloved' states and our 'countrymen'. I realise that it is much easier to believe that there is a big bad wolf out there in which we need to fight against but murder and killers are to be found wherever large amounts of humans are settled. You and me could easily be turned into one, every human being is capable. That is why i dont believe in one side pontificating, particularly one with such a colourful history as the US. Fight your war if that is your will but spare us the sermon please.
It also seems to me that you think that terrorists attack the big, bad United States and that this has nothing to do with you.
Nothing could be further from the truth. If you can tear your eyes away from al-Jazerah for a moment, try reading the Kissenger piece. He is no right wing stooge. He is the man who got American troops out of Viet Nam and opened American diplomatic relationships with the People's Republic of China, all while Secretary of State to Richard Nixon.
All the talk of revenge was from what i read and heard on western media. Im also inclined to believe at least a little of the accounts of what has went on in the ground as they are from people that are actually living and dying under whats happening there.
I know people and indeed some family of mine have fought against the British in Ireland and my dad worked in Rwanda and the Congo alongside western armies and the UN so i know well the lies that the British and American media will spew out in the way of propaganda to the sheep that will believe just about anything their governments tell them.
Although there is usually nobody baised in warfare i tend to believe first-hand accounts rather than that of the governments propaganda machines that suit their own agendas usually , funnily enough. Years later the truth comes out a lot of the time.
Your references to Rawanda and Ireland certainly speak to the truth. And, they are both places where the US either ignored a terrible situation or sided ont he wrong side.
I really don't want you to think I'm a right -wing nut job. I am not. But, I have seen the horror of Islamic terrorism up close. I hope you never have to.
I know that others have seen the horror of other ideologies up close as well. That doesn't mean that anyone should be shining up any halos.
I agree, no halos. Im no fan of Islamic fundamentalism and realise there are very real dangers to it but i feel that there should be open debate and admittance of mistakes from all instead of, good and evil, noble human explorer and savage stuff that seems to smack of the olden days of the European empires and a blase attitude towards other countries and their lives.
The only way the US and their allies can have the moral highground is by being moral, not by claiming it. I really dont think the comments from Bush are that of a diplomatic leader. " either with us or against us" is an oversimplification of complicated problems and that attitude is forcing prviously friendly countries a little away from them and making already extreme regimes more extreme.
Here all i see are cuts in this, cuts in that and cant afford to help the poor here and extremely poor in other countries but the government always seem to be able to pull out billions for every war they want to get involved in and spend billions on nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat and plenty of other non-important stuff like grants to rich people and their loss-making theatres and white elephants like the millenium dome.
I must admit it i am a little cynical of the policies of the British and American administrations. I would rather do my own flawed research than beleive a word of what they say. The situation in Northern Ireland was probably what first led me to take what 'the big power' says with a pinch of salt and of the dangers of believing everything that they say.
But soldiers are to follow any lawful orders given to them.
You must remember Saddam Hussein has been a thorn in the side of the United Nations ever since the last Iraq War, and do You think he would cooperated with the United Nations, don't make me LAUGH.
The only way the US and their allies can have the moral highground is by being moral, not by claiming it. I really dont think the comments from Bush are that of a diplomatic leader. " either with us or against us" is an oversimplification of complicated problems and that attitude is forcing prviously friendly countries a little away from them and making already extreme regimes more extreme.
Here all i see are cuts in this, cuts in that and cant afford to help the poor here and extremely poor in other countries but the government always seem to be able to pull out billions for every war they want to get involved in and spend billions on nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat and plenty of other non-important stuff like grants to rich people and their loss-making theatres and white elephants like the millenium dome.
I must admit it i am a little cynical of the policies of the British and American administrations. I would rather do my own flawed research than beleive a word of what they say. The situation in Northern Ireland was probably what first led me to take what 'the big power' says with a pinch of salt and of the dangers of believing everything that they say.
Im rather sure the war was unlawful and certainly some actions where under international law but as Bush has said the US would go to war whether the UN deemed it lawful or not that makes this argument invalid. Personally if everyone i knew was wiped out by an act of uncalled for agression by an army then i would take up arms against them whether some suit deemed it lawful or not.
I really dont know as much about the middle east as id like to but i have studied the troubles in Ireland and other wars by 'superpowers' and there is a similar theme of them deeming their unjustified murders and invasions 'lawful' and 'just' and the weaker, poorly armed opposing side 'terrorists' and 'savages' when they bite back and savages. It's convenient to assume that our side is always right and we are civil compared to others. In saying this i am for nuclear power not being allowed in Iran but think we should compensate them fairly for it.
Though it seems that the US is reluctant to engage with other, more powerful regimes that have acquired nuclear capabilities like India, Pakistan and North Korea. It kind of looks like the US is the playground bully who quietens down a bit when it comes to the dictatorships that either have little strategic importance or is powerful enough to likely fight back with effective resistance. Of course everyone knew that Iraq would lose the war easily as even though their army is a lot weaker than the allies they are not well organized or good war strategists but i wonder if the coalition where prepared for the aftermath? The war being fought to the insurgents strengths instead of the coalition armies strengths.
EDIT This is in regards to the points made 2 posts above.
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I suppose that since the rich pay taxes they should get suplemented for their leisure activities as well but i think this and other arts and leisure activities should be put on the back-burner until more critical things are sorted out like operations lists for hospitals all and subsidies for poor old people to warm their houses and eat during winter. Though i think this could be done in conjunction with theatre subsidies as i dont believe there is the scarvity of resources that governments make out when in fact there has always been poor and rich people so the lack of resources argument is just an excuse for the rich to stay super-rich and keep the rest of us doing the lackey work. If there is indeed a lack of resources we should limit the amount of babies that people are having.
I suppose that since the rich pay taxes they should get suplemented for their leisure activities as well but i think this and other arts and leisure activities should be put on the back-burner until more critical things are sorted out like operations lists for hospitals all and subsidies for poor old people to warm their houses and eat during winter. Though i think this could be done in conjunction with theatre subsidies as i dont believe there is the scarvity of resources that governments make out when in fact there has always been poor and rich people so the lack of resources argument is just an excuse for the rich to stay super-rich and keep the rest of us doing the lackey work. If there is indeed a lack of resources we should limit the amount of babies that people are having.
Do you also object to government funded public schools in middle class neighborhoods?
Do you also object to government funded public schools in middle class neighborhoods?
I think there probably is money enough too but the fact is that governments are cutting esential services for the poor while funding the non-essential arts and wars and they shouldnt be allowed to do it.
Im against the astronomical differences in money and resources that there is between middle class public schools and working class ones. Poorer ones in working classes often are trgically underfunded and left to deterioate until they close or amagamate with another school. Personally i think rich people should pay for their kids schooling but it depends on just how well-off the middle class people are. Private schools shouldnt any longer get any government funding or charity status because they arent charities.
As a person with a degree in political science, I'd like to applaud the person who wrote, or implied that Dr. Kissenger is unbiased. Probably the first time I have ever heard that.
Kissenger is as conservative as they come, and NewsWeek is a corporate rag.
If you want to quote someone who does not have a bias, then I suggest you go out and find one first.
Bush lied to Congress about the reasons for entering the war.
Did News Week say that. Look at how hard they rode Clinton for lying to Congress, and how hard they are riding George W.
George W. will go into the history books sure,
but as one of America's worst presidents, not as one of the best.
In a post 9/11 America he appointed someone who knew absolutely nothing about disaster relief, or distribution in time of a disaster to the head of FEMA
He has appointed his personal lawyer, who has absolutely zero background in constitutional law, as his choice for the Supreme Court while saying, "She is the most qualified candidate I can find." Georgie's first Educational Secretary's chief accomplishment was lying about the high school drop out rate in Texas high schools. A charge that he was indicted for. His daughters continue to demonstrate the highest of fundamentalist Christian values by driving their automobiles under the influence of alcohol.
For me, I'm still waiting for Georgie to utter a sentence of five words or longer during a press conference without slurring his words.
Yes, Georgie is a nutter, and so is anyone who continues to not see it.
