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18 May 2008, 7:46 am

When oscuria talks about tolerance, he raises a very important point.

How far should tolerance extend? How malleable should value-systems become? Tolerating others is obviously the bedrock of human civlization. Value systems, ditto. But everything needsb to have clearly defined boundaries. It's noted here that boundaries should be somewhat flexible and adaptable, yet stil retain the shape of whatever they were meant to contain. I won't tolerate everything and anything. I tolerate a lot, but I have my limits.



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18 May 2008, 9:18 pm

slowmutant wrote:
When oscuria talks about tolerance, he raises a very important point.

How far should tolerance extend? How malleable should value-systems become? Tolerating others is obviously the bedrock of human civlization. Value systems, ditto. But everything needsb to have clearly defined boundaries. It's noted here that boundaries should be somewhat flexible and adaptable, yet stil retain the shape of whatever they were meant to contain. I won't tolerate everything and anything. I tolerate a lot, but I have my limits.

Those are my thoughts about religion, freedom and tolerance, but having limits (refusing medical treatment as an example, rituals that endangers people, etc).


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18 May 2008, 9:27 pm

Forgot about this thread.

LKL wrote:
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1) I won't hold her comment as serious.

2) a: Not all married couples are able to have children. b: That is left between the couple to decide (but I don't believe in divorce). c: The last question is absurd.




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8O Don't get ole Osuria fired up again. I think he just wants to rant :x since that's all he's been doing in this whole loooooooong entire thread. Makes me wonder. :?


Not fired up by anything. Not even a rant either : rant - To speak or write in a angry or violent manner; rave.

I'm not angry nor violent.

It is good to wonder. Be curious. :)


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18 May 2008, 9:54 pm

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18 May 2008, 10:07 pm

oscuria wrote:
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There can be no such thing when marriage, despite modern belief, is a religios duty.


Then atheists getting married should be illegal, too.

The fact is that marriage is, and has been for quite some time, a civil affair rather than a religious one. You can wave your hands however you want over whatever alter you want, but you can't do your taxes 'married filing jointly' until you've each signed the paper at the courthouse.



Inform me when an atheist has their rights performed by a priest.



every time they lie to one to appease their significant other.


and you do realize you can get married without a priest, right?



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18 May 2008, 10:29 pm

How does one elope without a priest? Where?

Las Vegas. D'oh! Of course.

Those drive-thru "marriages" don't really witness anything substantial. For f***k's sake, you can get married by an Elvis impersonator in that city.



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18 May 2008, 10:29 pm

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every time they lie to one to appease their significant other.


and you do realize you can get married without a priest, right?


They are marriages by name alone.


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18 May 2008, 11:01 pm

oscuria wrote:
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every time they lie to one to appease their significant other.


and you do realize you can get married without a priest, right?


They are marriages by name alone.


and by law.



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18 May 2008, 11:30 pm

skafather84 wrote:
oscuria wrote:
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every time they lie to one to appease their significant other.


and you do realize you can get married without a priest, right?


They are marriages by name alone.


and by law.


Ha, no arguments from me.


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19 May 2008, 3:01 pm

I agree with the OP :) If you want rights, you gotta fight for them. Looks like the LGBT community already is, so we've got no problem there.

Wow, the ignorance of some people is astounding ;)


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19 May 2008, 3:20 pm

oscuria wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
oscuria wrote:
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every time they lie to one to appease their significant other.


and you do realize you can get married without a priest, right?


They are marriages by name alone.


and by law.


Ha, no arguments from me.


so what you're saying is that you're above the law?



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19 May 2008, 3:26 pm

People who disagree with you aren't ignorant by default. They're just people disagreeing with you. If you don't see it my way, I can call you ignorant. But when the word is batted around like, this, it loses its meaning.



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19 May 2008, 3:37 pm

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People who disagree with you aren't ignorant by default. They're just people disagreeing with you. If you don't see it my way, I can call you ignorant. But when the word is batted around like, this, it loses its meaning.


I didn't mean you. :)


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19 May 2008, 4:02 pm

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so what you're saying is that you're above the law?


Never said that, did I?

But I can look down upon them.




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Wow, the ignorance of some people is astounding ;)



You mean intolerant to drastic change and an acceptance of what is unacceptable.


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19 May 2008, 5:53 pm

oscuria wrote:
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so what you're saying is that you're above the law?


Never said that, did I?

But I can look down upon them.



yes, you can look down on them. you can't deny them their legal rights, though. you seem to think that if it's not a religious ceremony then it's not a marriage? well that's your personal hangup; not something you can legislate.



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19 May 2008, 5:54 pm

oscuria wrote:
You mean intolerant to drastic change and an acceptance of what is unacceptable.



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i see nothing wrong here.