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30 Jul 2008, 10:57 am

nightbender wrote:

what was wrong with the crusades?

and historical research has shown the inquisiton to a superior justice system especially compared to the secular justice systems of the time

actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept

as for things like opposition to the death penalty, alot of bad stuff like that got into the church with vatican 2

Please tell me you're being sarcastic...

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30 Jul 2008, 12:30 pm

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You have that backwards. California receives ~ $0.78 in federal aid for every $1.00 it pays in taxes.

Sorry, included federal loopholes and programs exploited by California-based corporations, which is where a lot of the money is being shipped. In the context it was cited, your figure is more pertinent. Cheerfully withdrawn, point was that U.S. taxpayers aren't bailing out California for a few million in aid to non-citizens.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:04 pm

ed wrote:

nightbender wrote:

Please tell me you're being sarcastic...

no

read a darn history book.

the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression

as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia

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30 Jul 2008, 1:28 pm

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actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept

Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:30 pm

Orwell wrote:

nightbender wrote:

actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept

Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution.

same difference

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30 Jul 2008, 1:32 pm

nightbender wrote:

the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression

Sort of, but not entirely as you say.Yes, the Crusades were in response to Islamic expansion, but weren't completely defensive either. And then there is the issue where the Crusaders sacked Constantinople during the Fourth Crusade. Those weren't Muslims in that city.

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as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia

Rape, pillaging, and wanton murder are intuitively wrong to all but the most depraved individuals. That said, the Crusaders were no worse than other armies at the time, and their leaders at least had (relatively) noble intentions.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:33 pm

nightbender wrote:

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actually the church has stands for an intelligent design concept

Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has endorsed theistic evolution.

same difference

No, it's not. Try telling that to an ID proponent. The two ideas are not at all the same.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:36 pm

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the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression

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as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia

you seem to have the idea that everyone has an inborn sense of morality they dont

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30 Jul 2008, 1:42 pm

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the crusades were launch as a defensive war against 300 years of moslem aggression theft rape murder and opppression

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as for any brutality the idea of rules in war wasnt really codified till the treaty of westphalia

the idea of individual rights didnt begin until after the wars between catholics and protestants after wich a catholic priest wanted to stop the bloodshed and realized their were certain rights everyone had to respect.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:54 pm

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you seem to have the idea that everyone has an inborn sense of morality they dont

No, but most people are able to figure out at least the basics on their own. And Christianity certainly would seem to look down on many of their actions. This wasn't the dawn of human society, civilization had been around for some time and at least the basics of moral behavior had been figured out by then.

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30 Jul 2008, 1:55 pm

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When did I ever mention individual rights?

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30 Jul 2008, 5:07 pm

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This is all part of the Eucharist.

what the heck is that?

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30 Jul 2008, 5:10 pm

The Eucharist is otherwise known as Holy Communion or the Body of Christ. You know, it's when all the Catholics do our cookie-worshipping. :wink:

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30 Jul 2008, 5:36 pm

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No, it's not. Try telling that to an ID proponent. The two ideas are not at all the same.

Correct. ID states that god takes an active part in what creatures will be. The machine is not perpetual; god must push it with his finger.

The Catholic inner party line(pun intented Orwell!) is that god started evolution and that environmental factors now steer the outcome. The machine is perpetual. After the initial activation it runs on its own.

Faith and ration need not be at odds.

A catholic may use ration to understand the material world even to the point of extending that back as far as the big bang, which is as far as science goes anyway.

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30 Jul 2008, 10:13 pm

It's fun to see Chick talking about cookie worshipping, while every Christian would be guilty of paper worshiping under the same logic.

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30 Jul 2008, 11:25 pm

"Kill them all; God will know his own."
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