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16 Jan 2009, 5:42 am

why does it matter? people who want to kill themselves aren't going to be concerned about whether its legal or not. when was the last time you heard about someone deciding not to top themselves because they were afraid of going to jail? o.O

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16 Jan 2009, 7:34 pm

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Do I think suicide should be legal?

No or I would've been dead after the couple of attempts I made. I've gotten a lot of help and no longer have this strong urge like I used to.

Are you saying that it was the law that *forced* you to get help dealing with suicidal urges?

Know what I really don't feel like debating on my personal experiences in this issue. I shouldn't have even brought it up. It was years back when I going through some deep sh**.

No the law didn't force me, I was hopitalized and had to get treatment. That's as best as I can describe it and that's all I have to say here.

I really don't think this crap about attention seeking is all that necessary either, I knew one girl who did it and is now dead. So I think I'd be careful with putting people who have psychological and psychiatric problems down.

All I can say is I'm glad I'm alive and no I wasn't trying to seek attention at the time. I was deeply depressed and wanted a way out. That's as best as I can describe what I was going through.

Good day.

*Ahem!*

YOU were the one who brought up the subject(of personal experiences) lady! The subject of this thread is the legality of sucide and NOT anyone's own personal experiences. If you dont with to discuss your past than keep your *mouth* shut about it because for some reason the fact that you brought up a touchy subject, then had the nerve to make aggressive accusations against me for asking a perfectly reasonable question...What can I say? I sure as bloody hell DIDNT say a god_damn thing about attention seeking.......sheesh

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16 Jan 2009, 7:42 pm

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I lost a Brother to suicide 11 years ago. He was diagnosed Bipolar at the age of 19, he attempted suicide several times between the age of 19 and 21 (always with pills). He seemed to cope a little better with life after the birth of his daughter and completion of school ( he was a brilliant Man). He graduated top of his class (industrial electrician) and held a very good job up until the day he died.

He moved out West in 1994 to take a very good job, making amazing money. He didn't tell alot of people about his illness though, he thought they would think differently of him. I would say that from the age of 24 right through until his death at age 31, he had very view depressive episodes and even fewer manic ones. And then...just like that.....he was gone one night! he hung himself in his basement....he was 31 years old

Is what he did illegal? I don't think so. I do think that what he did was "in a moment of pure darkness" . Somewhere in his thoughts at that moment he believed it was for the best. Maybe he was tired of fighting for some true sense of "normal" (whatever normal really is) or maybe he was tired of feeling like he had to be someone he wasn't (someone without this illness). I read a quote one day that has helped me through 11 years of questions, pain, heartbreak and wonder:

"Some have the courage to live, while others have the courage to die"

Dying is not courageous. Living is courageous. Suicide is an act of cowardice and selfishness. Dying's easy but it's living that's hard. I've spent plenty of time contemplating suicide myself and might have done if absolutely no one in this world cared about me. But I knew that no matter how little my life meant to me, it meant a lot to my family. My mother and father, my sisters and aunts and uncles, everybody. The whole world.

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17 Jan 2009, 4:10 am

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Slowmutant, life is SHORT. You can pretend that death is nonexistant and that you'll live forever but one of this days it will come for you and take you. Suicide is NEITHER courageous NOR cowardly! I cannot began to tell you how important it is to show that you care when someone you love is feeling suicidal. People often commit suicide because they feel isolated so empathic human contact is Vital for people in that situation. With the exception of those who are facing terminal or chronic physical illness, sucide-as Ive said many times before-is an impulsive act and RARELY a premeditated act. People need to be taught that when they feel these impulses, reaching out for help is actually an act of strength! Stoicism is NOT the same thing as courage!! Those who thing that they are being strong by keeping it inside them are the ones who are no longer here today. People will live through just about ANYTHING because the survival instinct is the strongest one we have. Its not enough to care about someone, you have to SHOW it or they will never truly know.

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17 Jan 2009, 6:41 am

I'm confused. Are you advocating suicide or not?

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17 Jan 2009, 6:48 am

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I'm confused. Are you advocating suicide or not?

I am not advocating suicide. Im pointing out that it isnt NEARLY as deliberate as people assume it is and that of you want to stop it you have to encourage people who are feeling the impulse to do it that its not only okay to reach out for help, but its vital that they do so. Rather than look at it as an immoral choice, look at it for what it is: the tragic results of an impulse generated by feelings that werent properly dealt with.

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17 Jan 2009, 7:19 am

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I'm confused. Are you advocating suicide or not?

It is an immoral choice in that it would emotionally devastate the family of the person who commits suicide. Especially if that person has a mother.

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17 Jan 2009, 7:22 am

Suicide isn't illegal technically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_views_of_suicide

Though if law enforcement believes you to be suicidal they can legally compel you to be evaluated at a mental health facility.

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17 Jan 2009, 7:44 am

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Is that so wrong?

Also if a person is suicidal, they're unbalanced. And if a person is unbalanced, they are a potential threat to the rest of the community. And it is the job of law enforcement to protect the community. And sometimes, people need protection from themselves.

So there are two ideals at work here, the practical (protect community) and the humanitarian (ensure well-being of distraught individual.) The cops are legally obligated to prevent loss of life, be it suicide, homicide or accidental. But of course there's only so much cops can do before they infringe on a person's civil liberties.

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17 Jan 2009, 12:02 pm

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Dying is not courageous?! So what do you call the soldiers who die in war or rescue people from fires? Wusses?
I am not 'pro' suicide, but dying under any means takes some courage because of the unknown, we don't know what happens after we die, and if you happen to believe in heaven and hell, you would also believe that you will be judged. It is human nature to 'fear' death, that was why religion was created in the first place.

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17 Jan 2009, 12:40 pm

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The police seem to enjoy being the cause of someone losing their life. Especially if, that someone is black. Cops seem to enjoy shooting black people. Cops can even kill blacks and get away with it, for the most part. So really, cops are think they're obligated to prevent loss of life only if the person is white.

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17 Jan 2009, 2:29 pm

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True, but thats another issue altogether. Can someone please explain to me Why no one has passed a law making it a crime to (verbally)encourage a suicidal person to go through with it?

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17 Jan 2009, 2:57 pm

There are probably laws that cover it already.

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17 Jan 2009, 4:14 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:

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Dying on the battlefield to defend your home & country is courageous. Dying in attemt to rescue others is courageous. These are meaningful deaths, honourable deaths, hero deaths.
There's nothing heroic about comitting suicide, though- that is just tragic.

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17 Jan 2009, 7:03 pm

iaccidentallyx wrote:

There are probably laws that cover it already.

Unfortunately, you're WRONG. BTW slowmutant, sacrificing yourself for your "country", especially if you live in a large country where most people, including those in power, really dont give a f_ck about isnt "courageous"; its FOOLISH. People are always trying to get you to do something that benefits them at YOUR EXPENSE and use the notions of courage and sacrifice to manipulate you into going along with it.... :roll:

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17 Jan 2009, 8:21 pm

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It is still death. You said dying is not courageous.

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