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15 Aug 2008, 1:24 pm

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If faith were easy, everyone would have God in their lives. Faith is very difficult.

And it's widely known, that people consider most wise the books that are most difficult for understanding :lol:

The question is, who is reading these books?

The ignorant, the gullible, and the desperate.

Exactly!
And those who find the answer for everything in books. I mean those who never dare to think differently from the main flock.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:29 pm

This brings up the nature/nurture argument, doesn't it?

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15 Aug 2008, 1:38 pm

slowmutant wrote:

This brings up the nature/nurture argument, doesn't it?

Not an argument, but a fact. There's no disbalance in Nature, but too many argues/discussions/wars in politics, religion, philosophy etc., that's based on reading and misunderstanding the Books. It would never happen if people could:
1) analyse everything written in the books correctly;
2) be taught by Nature.
Choose one point? :wink:

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15 Aug 2008, 1:42 pm

Yes, the fact is that there is always some sort of interplay between Nature and Nurture. I can'r be purely one or the other.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:43 pm

slowmutant wrote:

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I was raised christian (of some sort) but didn't buy it for a minute
if God was real-and was as loving as everyone claims
he wouldn't be a he and sure as hell wouldn't let good people suffer

If faith were easy, everyone would have God in their lives. Faith is very difficult.

too difficult for me, I don't need it

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15 Aug 2008, 1:54 pm

Chaotica wrote:

There's no disbalance in Nature,

An amusing superstition. The reality, as I've observed as a biologist, is that there is no balance in nature.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:55 pm

Chaotica wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

If faith were easy, everyone would have God in their lives. Faith is very difficult.

And it's widely known, that people consider most wise the books that are most difficult for understanding :lol:

and often people are desperately wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

edit to dogbrain: as a biologist, I disagree.
It's not that there is no balance in nature, but that the balance is dynamic.

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15 Aug 2008, 1:59 pm

How can nature exist without balance? (Dynamic) balance is a cosmic principle.

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15 Aug 2008, 2:40 pm

LKL wrote:

Chaotica wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

If faith were easy, everyone would have God in their lives. Faith is very difficult.

And it's widely known, that people consider most wise the books that are most difficult for understanding :lol:

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15 Aug 2008, 2:40 pm

slowmutant wrote:

How can nature exist without balance? (Dynamic) balance is a cosmic principle.

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15 Aug 2008, 2:45 pm

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How can nature exist without balance? (Dynamic) balance is a cosmic principle.

"Nature" could very well be a temporary state that is, nevertheless careening into the abyss. One doesn't say that a teetering fishbowl is "balanced" the instant before it shatters.

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15 Aug 2008, 6:29 pm

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Because non-falsifiable propositions aren't scientific and are therefore outside its sphere. Approaching them from the perspective that science is inherently the proper means of investigation necessarily gets you nowhere.

Oh come on, your not suggesting that because we cant prove religion wrong, we have to accept it? In that case I'll start believing in Bertrand Russells orbiting teapot. Science cannot prove or disprove the existnce of god but it can and has on many occasions disproved religious hypothosis (arguably creationism for one). each time science comes up with an answer for something that previously had a superstitious explaination the probability for the existance of god decreases.

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15 Aug 2008, 6:32 pm

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I find fanatic atheists who try to convert me far more annoying than fanatic christians who try to convert me.

Why? do you find reason and logic too challenging

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15 Aug 2008, 6:45 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:

Reodor_Felgen wrote:

I find fanatic atheists who try to convert me far more annoying than fanatic christians who try to convert me.

Why? do you find reason and logic too challenging

rofl

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15 Aug 2008, 6:45 pm

Orwell wrote:

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If you have ever read Origin of Species, and you have ever studied modern evolutionary biology, you will realize that much of what Darwin believed was in fact wrong. Come on, he even believed in the inheritance of acquired characteristics! :lol:

Nothing against him, with the knowledge available at the time he made some remarkable advances, but science has moved further in the past 150 years.

Of course some of Darwins theories have proven false thats the very nature of scientific debate that I whole heartedly support. However Darwins theory still forms the basis of modern evolutionary biology.

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15 Aug 2008, 7:22 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:

Reodor_Felgen wrote:

I find fanatic atheists who try to convert me far more annoying than fanatic christians who try to convert me.

Why? do you find reason and logic too challenging

i can see where he's coming from. in my experience i've found atheist fanatics more pushy than religious fanatics when they try to convert someone. I'm atheist, so i don't have to deal with other atheists trying to convert me, but i've seen more atheists become complete a**holes in a religious debate than religious people.

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