The atheist crusades must stop!

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Can somebody tell me what this whole "psychic vampirism" thing that's been going on the last few days is?

A Christian church? A real Christian church? Where is this place of miracles?

For me, a great deal of my outspeak for atheism is in direct reaction to the evangelical christians who are constantly trying to take over the U.S. government, establish prayer in schools, portray atheists (and anyone else non-christian) as satanists or black-dressing young sheep (see the o.p.), and have loud-speakered advertising rallies on university quads that are so loud that one has to leave campus in order to escape.

On the other hand, I work in a Catholic hospital and have very little to complain about, as far as religious pressure goes, with the admin. I have rarely been pressured religiously at work, and never by the admin - only by self-righteous co-workers. I'm harassed by god people far more at school and even in public venues by people handing out little "you're going to hell!" pamphlets.

Constant harassment leads to blow-back.

Northern New Jersey, also known as not in the so-called "Bible Belt"...



You and me both. I'm a christian and even I get disturbed at some things that fundamentalists do...

I've tended to notice that people and organizations that actually live the faith by helping people in need, feeding the hungry, etc. tend to not shout their faith at other people (as is the case with your catholic hospital). It's sort of like how closeted homosexuals are the people screaming that they're straight because they're insecure with their sexuality... this is applied to religion as the people with the most insecure faith are the ones to proclaim their faith to the world nonstop and shove it down people's throats...

I'm curious as to why atheists seem to be so threatened by religion/religious beliefs. Why would anybody be threatened by something they don't even believe in? I would think that for an atheist the logical response to religion would be to simply ignore it. Why waste your time debating something that you think doesn't exist? And why bother trying to convert others to your beliefs or lack thereof?

Insecurity and arrogance.

how about


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimina ... t_atheists

i do feel threatened.

Yes, you are right here.

screw that. i disagree with nazis and i'll beat their ideas down all day long.

+1 ideas don't exist in a vacuum, they have real world consequences and discussing ideas is one of the things that can push things in a certain direction, or another way. i'm an atheist (well, possibly an agnostic since nobody can prove that god(s) doesn't exist, nor can anybody prove it/he/she/they do, i just personally see no reason to believe in something like that as its not required to explain anything), but i don't have any particular interest in arguing with believers. rather i would disagree with people who i consider to come from a reactionary/conservative/bigoted viewpoint, and if they use religion as justification for their opinions then their religion becomes fair game for debate and attack. at the same time i fully accept that there are people who are believers in various religions who are doing some pretty good things in the world, so it all depends...

[quote="Anubis"]Seriously, some people need lives, and would do well to stop generalising religion as bad. Every other thread seems to be about devout atheists taking religion literally. [quote]

I used to be an atheist myself.. nowadays I don't bother to label myself as anything.. since I noticed the labels people use don't seem to mean anything.. they just seem to confuse things by creating artificial divisions.

You hit the nail on the head (not literally of course:-)).. when you point out the real problem with atheism.. which is taking religion literally (suggested reading Carl Jung and Jospeh Campbell).

Yes.. there are many Christians that DO read the bible literally..

But to then go and make the same mistake.. and found an ideology upon it.. is bordering on the ridiculous.

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”The word "belief" is a difficult thing for me. I don't believe. I must have a reason for a certain hypothesis. Either I know a thing, and then I know it - I don't need to believe it.”

Carl Jung (who was also an atheist in his youth)

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Well ... to far from southern California to just "drop in" for a visit ... no way for you to provide evidence to support your claim ... so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

Best wishes.

While I am a christian, and find your talk to be repetitive, over something that neither side has proven, be it that there is a God, gods or what have you, or if there isn't. frankly, if it is so like us aspies to seek truth, then let's be open here. That which SEEMS logical is not in some (read: many) cases. The sciences we find truthful and and accurate may only be so for US. If someone proposed in a paper, the radical idea that there is life on, say, Dione, (a moon of a planet, which planet exactly has escaped me). Many would likely call such ideas crackpot, insane, illogical, because it seems to defy human logic. But if there truly was, hypothetically, life on such a planet, logic itself would change. Logic is not law; logic is merely the idea of what is sane, based on understood information. A revolutionary thought may not fit the logical criteria, but may indeed be true, making logic "illogical". So, if there is a god up there, then logic means moot. Logic is merely the result of human nature's arrogance; that which makes no sense is therefore false. Which is obviously wrong, because if that were the case, we probably would have become extinct hundreds of years ago.

Actually, the logical response would be more like, "Perhaps, but what kind of life?" rather than an outright dismissal.

Dionea is a moon of Saturn. It was discovered by Giovanni Cassini in 1684, and is named after the titan Dione of Greek mythology. It is also designated Saturn IV. Dione is composed primarily of water ice and has little or no atmosphere or observable tectonic activity.

So while life on Dione may be possible, it is unlikely to be anything more complex than the simplest of single-celled organisms.

actually the first response would be "show evidence". there'd most likely still be skeptics afterwards until more conclusive proof was given...but the demand for evidence would be first...not an outright dismissal of the claim.

Allow me to reword my post. By life, while I didn't make it clear, I meant intelligent life, or at least multi-cellular life. My apologies.

Edit: Also, this is not my point. My point is that while Aspies like myself find logic as the ultimate rule, logic can change; drastically and quickly. So using logic as a basis for belief is, under this circumstance, inevitably flawed.

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