911 issue: I wonder, what do majority of American ppl
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I know that's just being silly, but lets think of this in terms of physics:
The supports of one level weaken and cause a net downward acceleration, giving so many hundreds of tons of materials a downward momentum. What the Heck is going to stop it?
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I know who ordered the controlled demolition of building 7,
who also got a lot of money from a "terrorism insurance policy" covering WTC.
Larry Silverstein, or Silverstone ... whatever ... the guy everyone in New York knows
(or forgot) blew up #7 and then later also got the terrorism insurance money for WTC.
<edit> HE also built THE NEW WTC#7 already, but only there, nothing on "ground zero".
<edit> Clarification: WTC7 is (and was) NOT on ground zero, it's about a block away,
and much closer buildings such as the "2001 space odyssey monolith" Millenium Hilton
(right across the street from where WTC-1 and 2 were), are still standing and in use.
I noticed that building standing over the ground zero hole just like the one in the movie
(2001 space odyssey) in the crater on the moon ... very weird coincidence especially
since 9/11 happened in 2001!
911 Conspiracy Theorists scoff at structural engineers, who are experts in the field of what keeps buildings up and what brings them down, but then they'll pounce on Photoshopped images of "squibs" and "thermate"as "proof" of their claims.
No ... not odd ... pathetic.

Well ill put this bluntly.. the people who demolished the towers from within the government aren't going to do so unless they have backup.. they have to convince the world somehow, no? They use the media which is all owned by the same business men, easily corruptable.. Fox News isnt news its pure opinion now, and has been since 9-11 and before. Same with every other damn station.
And you forget that the towers fell at freefall speed.. you sir rely on the media to tell you complicated things when in reality, its not that complicated.. they just want you to think it is. Give me a break! Free fall speed can only happen to a building that size if its being demolished..
The people in charge of this expect most sheep to react the same way.. im sure science would prove that if most people SEE something, then they will believe it's really there.. much the same way they believe everything they see in the news media..
The CIA know EVERYthing that is going on in the world.. they know every person that walks in to a hospital or a bank.
you dont think they would know about terrorists planning something this big?..
You have been brainwashed.
you dont think they would know about terrorists planning something this big?..
You have been brainwashed.
Think about that statement for a minute, and then tell me you believe it.
There are 5 billion people in the world.
To watch one person 24 hours a day, assuming an 8 hour workday, would take 3 people at a minimum. That's just to watch them. You need more people to translate what they say, catalog their movements, and write the data into a report. You might be able to do all that with 15 people at your disposal, if they didn't have responsibility to do anything else.
To watch one person. Just how many people do you think the CIA has on it's payroll?
LE Kiwi, you seem to see conspiracies everywhere. The sad thing is, the conspiracy movement is just one big conspiracy in itself. If all of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists stopped believing in that silly conspiracy, and instead accepted the official explanation, they could focus on the real issue, which is - Who was responsible for the nation's air defense on that day, and why are they not held accountable for their failure in that respect?
The same people would be the targets of such criticism, and it would be harder to dismiss as the rantings of lunatics. I would not be surprised to learn that the 9/11 conspiracy movement was initiated by people interested in keeping discussion off the topic of the failure of national defense.
Instead, you insist that thousands of honest citizens committed horrendous acts of treason and murder, at the direction of the mastermind GW Bush, and managed to keep it secret.
So is it more likely that GW Bush is a murderous mastermind pretending to be stupid, or that he actually is stupid and his ineptitude left the country undefended long enough for 20 people to plan and execute the attacks?
Watching those videos brings back a little of the utter heartache I felt on that day. I had such violent feelings towards the terrorists - I wanted to find them and smear them into the sand of Afhhanistan until nothing was left but a red stain, so that no one could ever have told that they existed. I wanted to make it as though they had never existed, as if it could undo what they had done.
Not that it could, of course. And, while Bin Laden and his cronies might have been hiding out in Afghanistan, most of the hijackers were from our 'ally' Saudi Arabia. Not much we can do against them, even if Saudis fly another dozen planes into another dozen sky scrapers, because they'll cut off the oil.
I don't think that the destruction of the two towers was planned, but I do think that BushCo knew that there was some sort of major attack in the works, and deliberately chose to ignore it. What was that memo...?
"I believe the title of the memo was, 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." -Condoleeza Rice.
Remember that FBImemo about flight studentswho didn't care about landing, that got overlooked?
They knew a major attack would give them the political power to do whatever they wanted. The wanted 'another attack along the lines of Pearl Harbor,' according to the NeoCon 'Project for a New American Century.'
Remember the look on Bush's face when he was told about the attacks? No surprise. No horror.
I don't feel as vengeful now as I did then, but I am very mad that Bin Laden was allowed to escape. I am even angrier that the attacks were used as a pretext to invade a country that had nothing to do with them.
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The look I saw on his face suggested that he froze, and was unable to act for several minutes, similar to the actions of a coward on the battlefield.
Much has been said of that memo, but people act as if that memo was the only thing on GW's desk at the time. There were likely hundreds of memos crossing the president's desk that week. I doubt he read any of them. He was too busy trying to act presidential.
On the day of the attacks he was in Florida visiting schoolchildren and attending fundraising events. That was his agenda that day, raising funds and doing PR stunts. He was Commander in Chief of the armed forces, and our military was in several nations in various stages of combat, but he could not be bothered with the details of all that, he had his mind on his money and his money on his mind. What army can be successful when it's commander shirks his duties? What kind of military leader takes a break from running the war to raise election funds and read to schoolchildren? What kind of military leader sends all of his forces away and leaves his base unprotected?
National defense was not a concern for him on that day or any other.
you dont think they would know about terrorists planning something this big?..
You have been brainwashed.
Think about that statement for a minute, and then tell me you believe it.
There are 5 billion people in the world.
To watch one person 24 hours a day, assuming an 8 hour workday, would take 3 people at a minimum. That's just to watch them. You need more people to translate what they say, catalog their movements, and write the data into a report. You might be able to do all that with 15 people at your disposal, if they didn't have responsibility to do anything else.
To watch one person. Just how many people do you think the CIA has on it's payroll?
LE Kiwi, you seem to see conspiracies everywhere. The sad thing is, the conspiracy movement is just one big conspiracy in itself. If all of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists stopped believing in that silly conspiracy, and instead accepted the official explanation, they could focus on the real issue, which is - Who was responsible for the nation's air defense on that day, and why are they not held accountable for their failure in that respect?
The same people would be the targets of such criticism, and it would be harder to dismiss as the rantings of lunatics. I would not be surprised to learn that the 9/11 conspiracy movement was initiated by people interested in keeping discussion off the topic of the failure of national defense.
Instead, you insist that thousands of honest citizens committed horrendous acts of treason and murder, at the direction of the mastermind GW Bush, and managed to keep it secret.
So is it more likely that GW Bush is a murderous mastermind pretending to be stupid, or that he actually is stupid and his ineptitude left the country undefended long enough for 20 people to plan and execute the attacks?
I dont get why you're saying all this stuff about the CIA, about them having to write reports, and catalog their every movements, and 8 hour days, having 15 people at their disposal.. is that based on reality or your imagination?..
they pick peices of information up using spywares, identification, medical reports.. blahh blahh.. I exaggerated.. but the point is, if there is ANYone suspected of conspiring, they know about it.. that doesnt mean one man cant get away with conspiring a little bit, but dont think they dont go to great lengths to know everything that they can, who the ring leaders are, whos calling the shots, who is planning something.. they know all of this stuff.. they have ears everywhere, and thats what im saying.. they would knowabout this terrorist threat in advance.
to defend LeKiwi, she has a good head on her shoulders, and I agree with her. you're right there are conspiracies everywhere, but only because people like you keep that word alive.. its only a conspiracy when people disagree, and that word is used to make US look silly.. well too damn bad, find a different word for this conversation.. the REASON there are all these 'CONSPIRACIES' as you call them is because they are all connected together.. you think something like 9-11 would happen and there not be a deeper problem?.. if 9-11 is a symptom in a disease, then your not getting to the root of the disease by assuming it 9-11 was the only problem and that even if the government did that, it ends there.. so enough with the conspiracy theorist mumbo jumbo. . its called using your brain, but the super powers have been training you to do just the opposite for a long time now, so way to go for being weak minded..
on another note.. George Bush is a puppet, not a leader.. his leadership is partially an illusion, since he is literally less powerful then the Rockefeller family.. do you actually think that 'conspiracy theorists' believe that george bush planned everything?.. sir learn your facts.. you just believe everything you see in the media that 'conspiracy theorists' will believe anything as long as its a conspiracy.. george bush didnt plan diddly s**t.. and thousands of people dont have to TAKE PART in this incident.. if you researched it enough you would see how compartmentalization works..
if you use middlemen to pass along commands, not everybody knows WHY they are doing something, or not doing something.. yes, people in the government remain ignorant to whats going on.. but many people have come forward to testify strange things going on that day.
Just dont buy into whatever your fed from the farce media, especially from something this big..
You've never heard of a false flag attack?.. they are not uncommon my friend.. Pearl Harbour was a similar situation.. or is that a conspiracy too?.. even afters its been proven?
So basically you're arguing that the CIA is so effective that conspiracies are nearly impossible, then in the next breath that the CIA is so inept that conspiracies are commonplace? Which is it?
You're arguing that the government is so effective at keeping secrets that conspiracies of huge magnitude are kept perfectly secure, and at the same time so ineffective at keeping secrets that even you know the truth? Which is it?
As for false flag attacks, if they are so common then how come the most recent example of one you can cite is over 60 years old?
"I believe the title of the memo was, 'Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States." -Condoleeza Rice.
Remember that FBImemo about flight studentswho didn't care about landing, that got overlooked?
They knew a major attack would give them the political power to do whatever they wanted. The wanted 'another attack along the lines of Pearl Harbor,' according to the NeoCon 'Project for a New American Century.'
Remember the look on Bush's face when he was told about the attacks? No surprise. No horror.
I don't feel as vengeful now as I did then, but I am very mad that Bin Laden was allowed to escape. I am even angrier that the attacks were used as a pretext to invade a country that had nothing to do with them.
This is a viable theory.
I think my vote is that it wasn't intentionally ignored, but maybe the drive to do everything possible to prevent it wasn't really there, because subconsciously they knew such a thing could help them with other political goals. I doubt they actually aware of that subconscious thinking, but I know from my own life how the smallest "what if" can stand in the way of effectively dealing with something complicated. And it's clear that the government was not effective in dealing with the potential threat.
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The CIA know EVERYthing that is going on in the world.. they know every person that walks in to a hospital or a bank.
you dont think they would know about terrorists planning something this big?..
You have been brainwashed.
You are giving WAY too much credit to the CIA. WAY too much. There simply isn't that much power there. These are PEOPLE, HUMANS, not 007 movie characters.
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And here-in lies the problem. Information is only as good as your ability to understand and interpret it. And, as well, to translate it - remember, it comes in hundreds of languages. Too much information and you lose the forest for the trees. Which is, basically, what I understand has been concluded about all the information leading up the attacks: it was there, but people weren't connecting the dots. Important transcripts that may have given information about the attacks were stalled waiting for translation. The CIA is a large, beaurocratic organization stagnated by the weight of it's own function. Not a flexible and effective single brain.
Most CIA jobs are technocrat jobs. They recruit accounting graduates, people like me. Just sit at a desk and try to find that one little pin the haystack you are looking at. What are the odds you will see it, know how it fits in, and know it timely?
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You're arguing that the government is so effective at keeping secrets that conspiracies of huge magnitude are kept perfectly secure, and at the same time so ineffective at keeping secrets that even you know the truth? Which is it?
As for false flag attacks, if they are so common then how come the most recent example of one you can cite is over 60 years old?
Okay..
I didnt say the CIA are the best at keeping secrets, I said that they're the best at spying.. what do YOU think they do with their time, Im just wondering?.. because there are more than just the FBI and CIA there is also the NSA.. Do you have any Idea how big the government is?.. What do you think the POINT of the CIA is?.. just wondering?.. I dont think they are the most intelligent people in the world, but I think they do their job, which is to spy on the people, tap their telephones, monitor their intenet activity.. look im not gonna explain how they do it because i dont know, but they have their way of doing things, And it wouldnt be hard to figure out their methods, really..
And what does it matter if the last one was 60 years ago?.. personally thats not true, 9-11, and the London Bombings are much more recent.. but before that there wasnt one for a long time because they dont pull stuff out of thin air, there has to be a motive and a plan.. it takes a long time to plan false flag attacks and give it an agenda. Think harder.
And here-in lies the problem. Information is only as good as your ability to understand and interpret it. And, as well, to translate it - remember, it comes in hundreds of languages. Too much information and you lose the forest for the trees. Which is, basically, what I understand has been concluded about all the information leading up the attacks: it was there, but people weren't connecting the dots. Important transcripts that may have given information about the attacks were stalled waiting for translation. The CIA is a large, beaurocratic organization stagnated by the weight of it's own function. Not a flexible and effective single brain.
Most CIA jobs are technocrat jobs. They recruit accounting graduates, people like me. Just sit at a desk and try to find that one little pin the haystack you are looking at. What are the odds you will see it, know how it fits in, and know it timely?
I understand, that is how they recruit tons of people, and when you get that many people, not all of them are smart..
but lets go back to the purpose of this debate, while mentioning that the CIA is pointless.. its just tons of stupid secretive operations.. and secretiveness is a sign of moral UN-integrity.. and to me it doesnt really make a difference whether its the FBI CIA or NSA.. i dont care whos responsible for 9-11 but ive watched an interview with a former FBI Boss man saying that the FBI WAS capable of planning the attack on the twin towers... so dont take my word for it, at least listen to the witnesses.. they are good enough for court, so why are they not good enough for your own judegments..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGAiyJ_l2a8
FBI whistleblower.
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