do we deserve to perish in a nuclear holocaust?

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do we deserve to perish in a nuclear holocaust?
yes 28%  28%  [ 13 ]
no 59%  59%  [ 27 ]
other (please qualify) 13%  13%  [ 6 ]
Total votes : 46

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31 Aug 2008, 11:00 am

I agree.



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31 Aug 2008, 11:22 am

I'd just like to be able to succeed and do something positive with my life before it's all over. Fat chance anyway. As a whole people are only bad. I can't live, compete or work with them. But I do enjoy the quiet, beauty nature has to offer, though it does get lonely. On my own I can't accomplish much anyway. Maybe you're right. Nuke it!



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31 Aug 2008, 12:11 pm

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We deserve extinction. Actually, let me rephrase that - the planet deserves our extinction, to get a break from us. But I'm 100% pro-VHEMT and don't advocate arbitrary quick fixes like nuclear wars.


That's a lame way to go out

Nuclear war would not destroy nature altogether


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31 Aug 2008, 12:57 pm

chever wrote:
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I can't believe the "yes" is winning. :roll:

That alone makes me want to switch my vote. People piss me the f**k off.


Yeah me too

With any luck we'll all be stone cold dead in the next two centuries, so don't worry overmuch.

In fact, even though there's only so much I can do personally, I will do my best to succeed academically and land a career running experimental projects for the defense industry to help make sure it happens.


You are one FU individual. :roll:



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31 Aug 2008, 1:00 pm

Nonsense. I value your life as much as I value my own.


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31 Aug 2008, 1:00 pm

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You are one FU individual. :roll:

f****d up?


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31 Aug 2008, 1:09 pm

greenblue wrote:
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You are one FU individual. :roll:

f**** up?


Yes, f***ed up. Who thinks about this stuff?



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31 Aug 2008, 1:37 pm

Someone who needs to be evaluated for incarceration.



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31 Aug 2008, 2:40 pm

chever wrote:
Contributing to the development of destructive and increasingly sentient military technology is the only thing that will prevent me from going insane.


Sounds like you are already there - obviously not the stereotypical irrational schizophrenic, but not mentally well. Sadism, misanthropy, and other attitudes you have espoused are not the perfect picture of mental health.

Keeping your mind active solving problems is great, but are you convinced that it has to be to develop more sophisticated killingry?



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31 Aug 2008, 2:47 pm

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Sounds like you are already there - obviously not the stereotypical irrational schizophrenic, but not mentally well. Sadism, misanthropy, and other attitudes you have espoused are not the perfect picture of mental health.

Well, I think the notions of health and sanity are pretty empty anyway, so if he's happy, then that is all I can say about it. Sadism, misanthropy, and the other attitudes simply seem like a normal reaction to the kind of world we live in.



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31 Aug 2008, 3:47 pm

To assume that the only solution to human brutality and disregard for decent behavior is to give up entirely and destroy the human race is an interesting viewpoint for someone who claims to be devoted to problem solving. It looks to me as if he has given up totally on an extremely interesting and challenging problem. No doubt it is tough and the failures of past attempts at even a partial solution have, so far, failed. But, of course, even the best problem solvers eventually meet a problem beyond them. It seems the Bible recounts that God, at times, also resorted to total destruction as the only solution for most of the human race except for a favored few. God (mythical or otherwise) seems to have been a bit more optimistic than chever.



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31 Aug 2008, 3:50 pm

Sand wrote:
To assume that the only solution to human brutality and disregard for decent behavior is to give up entirely and destroy the human race is an interesting viewpoint for someone who claims to be devoted to problem solving. It looks to me as if he has given up totally on an extremely interesting and challenging problem. No doubt it is tough and the failures of past attempts at even a partial solution have, so far, failed. But, of course, even the best problem solvers eventually meet a problem beyond them. It seems the Bible recounts that God, at times, also resorted to total destruction as the only solution for most of the human race except for a favored few. God (mythical or otherwise) seems to have been a bit more optimistic than chever.


Im totally for it, but not quite yet. The reason is that we do not yet have a successor species that is more intelligent and hopefully more complex than Humanity. 8)



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31 Aug 2008, 3:57 pm

Considering the vindictive brutal behavior of a large sector of humanity towards any alien species that might reveal itself to be even equal, much less, superior to humans, do you believe that a superior species living amongst humanity would be so foolish as to reveal itself? How do you know that they are not right now part of the current scene? If they are a human mutation they might not be obvious.



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31 Aug 2008, 4:00 pm

Sand wrote:
Considering the vindictive brutal behavior of a large sector of humanity towards any alien species that might reveal itself to be even equal, much less, superior to humans, do you believe that a superior species living amongst humanity would be so foolish as to reveal itself? How do you know that they are not right now part of the current scene? If they are a human mutation they might not be obvious.


What makes you think it necessarily has to be an *alien*, extraterrestrial species? Why not a brand new species created by humans? Im specifically talking about sentient robots.



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31 Aug 2008, 4:09 pm

slowmutant wrote:
greenblue wrote:
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You are one FU individual. :roll:

f**** up?


Yes, f***ed up. Who thinks about this stuff?


The US gubbermint and its contractors, for starters. As far as I can tell, Russia and particularly China want to jump on the bandwagon, too. As far as I can reconcile with my attitudes with misanthropy, I am a bit of a Sinophile so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Chinese ambition caught up with current American superiority in this field at some point.

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Someone who needs to be evaluated for incarceration.


Prison brutality and indifference towards it: another reason I want the human race stone cold dead

monty wrote:
Sounds like you are already there - obviously not the stereotypical irrational schizophrenic, but not mentally well. Sadism, misanthropy, and other attitudes you have espoused are not the perfect picture of mental health.


So?

monty wrote:
Keeping your mind active solving problems is great, but are you convinced that it has to be to develop more sophisticated killingry?


As you might have already guessed: yes.

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Well, I think the notions of health and sanity are pretty empty anyway, so if he's happy, then that is all I can say about it. Sadism, misanthropy, and the other attitudes simply seem like a normal reaction to the kind of world we live in.


This.

Sand wrote:
To assume that the only solution to human brutality and disregard for decent behavior is to give up entirely and destroy the human race is an interesting viewpoint for someone who claims to be devoted to problem solving.


Image

Problem solved.

Sand wrote:
It looks to me as if he has given up totally on an extremely interesting and challenging problem.


Herding idiots is not my department.


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31 Aug 2008, 4:12 pm

I use the term "alien" to mean radically different, not extra-terrestrial. Sentient robots would, of course, be designed by humans and naturally have quite human characteristics but if designed by the military complex of each country it is most likely that they will be fighting machines with nationalistic motivations. Perhaps superior to human soldiers, but with many of the destructive characteristics of their creators. I was proposing that humans themselves contain mutant characteristics at present time that might not have been detected. It is not impossible, and a nuclear war by stupid leaders would eliminate this valuable potential.

For an interesting conjecture of future developments aside from the rather clumsy idea of robots, take a look at the SF novel "Accelerando" by Charles Stross.