The Illuminati Discussion

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It's supposed to be that when you reach a certain degree in the Masonry that they tell you to spit on the cross of christ.. if you do, then they quietly recruit you into their 'family', because you put the orders first before your faith in God.. if you DON'T spit on the cross then you never find out a thing and they tell you that you passed their test, and you will remain a simple priest or minister and never climb higher than that..

i have heard the very same thing on a cable tv program about freemasonry, but you are simply denying fear, why because you don't believe anyone would provoke bad things to happen, you are wrong, politicians and presidents would do anything to protect THEM and THEIRS (bloodline etc), are you trying to say you have complete knowlegde to know that there is no other organisation trying to do the same thing as the illuminati? or copycating the very good and deceptive system? how do you know that the story you heard is inside dis info just to "Tie loose Ends" on the matter

and about the fictional books, ive looked into it, you cannot make a 100% fantasy book, any "fictional" story a person has done had to come from somewhere, YES they add imagination to it, but in some books they Do hide truth and facts in it, im not saying there is a hidden underlying theme with each fictional book, but normally the popular books that some can be found in FICTION CO-INCIDENTALLY have metaphors and hidden meanings throughout, try searching about banned books and such, also do a search on the original Wizard of Oz books, REMEMBER the crazy thing about these books is the fact it was supposedly intended for a specific person (mostly children) cos children cannot see the hidden meanings and any facts uncovered can be claimed as CRAZY just because they were found in a kids film

remember don't think in certainties, either all true or all false, when it comes to matters people are not willing to point out what IS truth and what is bs, some people deny fully and would rather not be involved OUT OF FEar

I'm not sure I believe in a whole "illuminati," but I definitely believe that there's a giant scam with central banking. The Federal Reserve Act was written by bankers in a secret meeting on a secret island....Just that alone should raise a lot of red flags. Now without a gold standard to hold them back, the Fed can print as much money as it wants out of thin air. They're succeeding in transferring wealth from the poor and middle class to the rich.
I think they're separate from the oil scammers though....You know, the ones who squash any attempt to make cars with incredibly good gas mileage. Because if cars get good gas mileage, then they make less money!
Then there are the greedy corporate bigheads who bribe and lobby our government. Yay for taxpayer-backed bailouts of businesses who run themselves into the ground from idiotic business practices! Yay corporate welfare! (end sarcasm)

In other words, I think there are just a lot of separate scams instead of one big one.

It would be nicer if you could connect the dots.. Seeing as how you are fully aware of the Federal Reserve situation which is a good thing, who do you think that money goes to?.. it goes to Nick Rockefeller.. and what does our income tax pay for?.. it pays for the debt that the government owes to the Federal Reserve, so there is the first connection.. civilians paying taxes to an independant banker, he reaps pure profit just because he owns a money making machine.. now let us take is a step further, and involve the IRS.. the IRS strives to penalize and put people behind bars that don't pay their income tax, but it has been proven that it is not a legal tax, people do not have to pay taxes for labour earnings, only from business profits. . Part of the proof is that people have been taken to court by the IRS and let go because the IRS couldn't produce the law which states you have to pay your income tax.
So who ARE the IRS?.. why do they exist?.. why does the government allow them to prosecute knowing that it is illegal?.. is it not a criminal government?
So what is Nick Rockefeller's role in the government if he is just some wealthy banker?..

If you want to make the connection between Nick Rockefeller and the 'Illuminati' family, then it takes a little bit of a leap of research.. Aaron Russo who was friends with Nick Rockefeller for a short while quoted him saying that Nick wants everyone to be chipped so that all your money is in the chip, and if you dont comply with the law they just shut your chip off, so you can't get a job or buy food.. it's not necessarily a deliberate act of evil, it's just a lack of compassion is how Aaron Russo described it.. they just dont care about the 'sheep', that's even what they call the masses.. he also quoted him saying that there's going to be a New World Order, and also long before 9/11 Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo that there was going to be an 'event' that's going to allow the US to go to war and they're going to be looking for people in caves but there's not anyone theree.. it's an imaginary war on terror.

^^ that is just one angle of the 'Illuminati'.. and that word is meaningless really.. it confuses people because when they hear it they think of midieval satan worshippers.. but that is only a fraction of the monster that is them.. they are a mixture of occults and groups, like the Bilderburg Group, The Council of Foreign Relations, the Freemasons, The Skull And Bones (which George Bush jnr and Snr were both in and also John Kerry that I know of), and the UN.. i think its caled UN.. the council that deals with international affairs concerning war and such i think that's what it is..

^at least you are one of the smarter ones who actually look for the truth as it is hidden in a non glamourised way, also in most bs there can be hints of logic or reason in it

i remember hearing somewhere that money was invented really as reciepts, now even if its wrong bear with me,
lets just say back when gold was used, people had the problem that it was too heavy and dangerous to carry in heaps, so that had a plan to store them in banks, also to encourage people to store them here in "supposed" safety, they gave people reciepts so they had a means to remember how much gold it was worth, then some banks started to give more "reciepts" out to make it seem like people had "money" when in fact the amounts of money in banks are kept secret out of Privacy but also to keep people from easily getting to there inherited money or something similar etc

that's pretty much how it started from what I know of.. call me old fashioned but id like to go back to having gold instead of receipts.. receipts are too easily produced, and also destroyed.. and of course forged

every american dollar used to be backed a piece of gold. You could even go get the gold for your dollar. But they stopped having it backed by gold a long time ago

Nothing should male you turn away from God. Nothing. Could the Masons be a clever instrument of the Devil?

you are playing the blame game, realise HUMANS are the only ones capable of killing, not every person who is labelled as a mason, it's not that simple

many people who are labelled masons are just as blind as religious people, they are all sheep,
the prophets and runners of these orgs are the true enemy, the ones who are rich and ramble on bs, feeding people their lies, remember lies are best delivered if mixed with truth, they may be telling alot of intelligent sh*t to you but really that is a front, behind closed doors they are deceptive manipulators, all of them are corrupt (ok maybe 1% aren't)

talk of masonry is starting to erupt nowadays, so im sure any evil doers will try to cut all ties to the masons, or at least dump loads of mis infomation on the matter

Yeah, whatever. I don't trust anyone who would spit on the cross.

JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST. You have nothing to fear. The Freemasons are completely harmless, the Skull and Bones is a glorified fraternity, the Illuminati is long dead, the Bilderberg Group is a motherf****ng NETWORKING GROUP which means that they're about as harmful as your local Kiwanis group, and the Council on Foreign Relations is a foreign policy think tank.

All harmless, huh? In one fell stroke, all harmless.

Hmmmmmmmm.

if you have a problem with me not accepting religion you are at fault,

i wasn't born into religion and i'll be damned before i make the unlogical and blind decision on choosing 1 religion out of the 1000's, there is a good reason why there are soo many religions, and you believe the more popular ones are for an ultimately good purpose?

religion has many similarities between all of them because people have picked up on the genius way to fool and decieve people

religion teaches you that knowledge will lead you nowwhere but madness, and at the end of the day gods word is the true deciding factor, so whenever there is a crisis, prophets will tell you what you should do (while they prob hide in their flash cars or enjoy life in their nice homes)

religion works hand in hand with government, and we all know how corrupt governments are, if you truely do not believe this, you have been born into religion or politics and are surrounded in bs

Why so angry?

Fair enough, on obsessions. I can understand why people making inferences about your character because of your interest in one subject could be irritating.

There may be more people than you think who agree. They are just afraid of ridicule. I think it is possible. Just saying that much could open the door for condescending tin-foil-hat remarks.

I happen to be one of those who is willing to consider a lot of circumstantial evidence, and at least look at a possibility. I do need some things in black and white though before I will whole-heartedly accept a theory.

I am not at fault for having my beliefs, angry man. Make no mistake about that.