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24 Dec 2008, 9:58 am

slowmutant wrote:

Are you suggesting that if I cut out bread/gluten, I'd have no free will? That doesn't sound good.

That if cut it out might begin to realise that don't have free will. Perhaps.

I certainly think that in those who are sensitive/intolerant to gluten it can have a detaching/separating effect which becomes gradually clear on excluding it. And in the process may discover how what you thought was "free choice" never is, but is always shaped by diet and environment and conditioning and genes.

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24 Dec 2008, 10:08 am

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slowmutant wrote:

Are you suggesting that if I cut out bread/gluten, I'd have no free will? That doesn't sound good.

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And in the process may discover how what you thought was "free choice" never is but is always shaped by diet and environment and conditioning and genes

That is quite a statement, even for a feminist. :roll:

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24 Dec 2008, 10:22 am

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Eat and drink Christ, symbolically. :wink:

Death sentece for you. Catholic council of Trent, 1563, enforced a death penalty for anyone who claimed the Holy Communion is symbolic. Still in effect today, the Catholic Church has not ratified it.

Nothing wrong with saying it, or undergoing that ritual, IMHO, except that's the Catholic law regarding it.

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24 Dec 2008, 10:31 am

Khan_Sama wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Eat and drink Christ, symbolically. :wink:

You know what's odd? I was RAISED CATHOLIC and I've never heard of that law. Probably because it's from the 16th century. Khan_Sama, you're an uppity, presumptious know-it-all, but that's why we love you. :heart:

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24 Dec 2008, 11:26 am

^__^;;

I don't understand why some people have a problem with the Eucharist. Regardless of its roots, it's a peaceful religious tradition and should be respected.

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24 Dec 2008, 11:50 am

Council of Trent was a long time ago. How to enforce such a law, anyway?

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24 Dec 2008, 12:00 pm

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Council of Trent was a long time ago. How to enforce such a law, anyway?

No one expects the SPANISH INQUISITION! :twisted:

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24 Dec 2008, 12:04 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Eat and drink Christ, symbolically. :wink:

I don't mean to flame the thread, but having been brought up a Catholic this is bugging me. According to Catholic teaching, what goes on during the sacrament of the Eucharist isn't in any way symbolic, the bread & wine actually become the body & blood of Christ in a way that is so very real it can't be perceived by the senses. Believing in this would seem to me to be one of the few things that make a person specifically a Catholic rather than just generally a Christian, I don't really get why a person would call themselves a Catholic if they didn't believe this?

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24 Dec 2008, 12:27 pm

You're right!

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24 Dec 2008, 1:08 pm

Fnord wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Council of Trent was a long time ago. How to enforce such a law, anyway?

No one expects the SPANISH INQUISITION! :twisted:

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24 Dec 2008, 1:10 pm

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Council of Trent was a long time ago. How to enforce such a law, anyway?

Technically, the Vatican is the only state which still contains these laws, although not in practice. I guess you could say it's like the law on stoning adulterous married couples in Saudi Arabia and Iran - present in the law books, but no longer enforced. Or like the cannabis laws of the Netherlands, technically present, but ignored.

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24 Dec 2008, 1:22 pm

Khan, how did you come to be such a knowledge-head?

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24 Dec 2008, 1:25 pm

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I think that it is impossible to prove or disprove the existence of a supernatural being using natural methods. Considering the definition of supernatural is "Of or relating to existence outside the natural world." and "Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces." And that an argument over the existence of such a being is pointless as it would not have a reliable outcome since a supernatural being would exist outside the natural world and obviously be able to violate the natural methods you are attempting to test it with. But people try.

*shrugs*

as long as you alllllll realize you are using faith (albeit usually not consciously)

Agreed. That's why there is an element of faith in both atheists trying find disproof in the positive and theists finding their proof in the negative. All it really adds up to is personal, many would guess that's even deliberate for the sake of free will.

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24 Dec 2008, 1:28 pm

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Khan, how did you come to be such a knowledge-head?

Perhaps it's evidence that I have nothing better to do?

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24 Dec 2008, 3:04 pm

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Catholicism has nothing to do with the real teachings of Christ.

Well yes... He was a Jew... and if people were to really follow his teachings, they would be Jews. But then in the parable of the Good Samaritan he said that being Jewish isn't what gets you into heaven, it's being a good person. That works for me.

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ike wrote:

Magnus wrote:

Catholicism has nothing to do with the real teachings of Christ.

There is a lot to be said for simple following the lifestyle of the man Jesus of Nazareth. I especially like the part where he went to the temple and whipped all those moneychangers who were stealing from gullible temple-goers.

I wonder how he'd act if he showed up at the TBN facilities in Costa Mesa? :twisted:

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