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04 Mar 2009, 1:15 am

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Actually, I heard that Morris County, NJ is the richest county on the planet. But I live in the poorest town in the county. Does that count? And even in Morristown, we have homeless people. Some rich people just don't like to share.

Anyway, none of that's gonna be worth much when the lay-offs start. Or the mortgage defaults. Or the food riots. Or the plagues. Or the great gun grab. Or when they start hauling us away to those shiny new Halliburton concentration camps. Or when they blow Picatinny Arsenal away.


That's interesting...it does seem like in terms of location, there's seemingly a division between the wealthy and the poor but no inbetween.


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04 Mar 2009, 2:36 am

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Tahitiii wrote:
Actually, I heard that Morris County, NJ is the richest county on the planet. But I live in the poorest town in the county. Does that count? And even in Morristown, we have homeless people. Some rich people just don't like to share.

'Fraid it's not quite even as rich as Hunterdon. And I don't know what the poorest town there off the top of my head is (:chin:) but I'm *reasonably sure* it pales next to Newark.

I'm a little high strung about people claiming they're poor lately, as I've been spending some time in Newark and I find the poverty there quite moving, but not even so bothersome as how completely callous most people are to it.

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Well...maybe there's parts of the U.S. you haven't seen.

From where I live, there aren't even ENOUGH homes for the homeless right now.

There are poor in the United States. That does not make it a poor country. The United States has a Human Development Index which is 15th in the world (well above, say, the United Kingdom). I think a lot of people here have unrealistic expectation about the quality of life elsewhere sometimes.


As a former native New Yorker living on a retirement income of about $600 per month in New York I would be living in a cardboard box in an alleyway. Here in Helsinki I manage reasonably well. At my age there are no employment opportunities in my native USA.



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04 Mar 2009, 8:40 am

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I think a lot of people here have unrealistic expectation about the quality of life elsewhere sometimes.
I think most people around here are living in a fantasy world, and honestly believe they are entitled to live like kings, at the expense of everyone else. I used to think they were just "callous." But that word implies a need for an emotional defense. I don't believe any more that they need such a defense, that they are simply empty and really don't care.

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...living on a retirement income... Here in Helsinki I manage reasonably well.
I wanna live with you. I'm quiet and I don't eat much and I don't take up a lot of room.



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04 Mar 2009, 9:03 am

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Actually, I heard that Morris County, NJ is the richest county on the planet. But I live in the poorest town in the county. Does that count? And even in Morristown, we have homeless people. Some rich people just don't like to share.

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Have you shared your living quarters with a Poor Person? No? Then don't make snide remarks. Do you give away even ten percent of your income to the poor? No? Then don't say anything.

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04 Mar 2009, 9:07 am

It wasn't intended as snide. I don't have an income.
10% x 0 = 0.
You could say that I give 100% of my income to the poor.



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04 Mar 2009, 9:10 am

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It wasn't intended as snide. I don't have an income.
10% x 0 = 0.
I give 100% of my income to the poor.


You have food to eat? Then give away half to the poor. Then talk about other people's Fair Share. Until then you are indulging in hypocritical twittering.

I live by a different set of rules. What is Mine is Mine and what is Yours is Yours.

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04 Mar 2009, 9:25 am

I really don't have an income. And I have no control over any tangibles. I have nothing to give. I give huge chunks of time to people who need help, for what that's worth. There was a time when I could give more, and did.

I've lost track of where this is going. Why do you need to believe I'm a hypocrite, and what is your point?



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04 Mar 2009, 9:34 am

ruveyn wrote:
Tahitiii wrote:
Actually, I heard that Morris County, NJ is the richest county on the planet. But I live in the poorest town in the county. Does that count? And even in Morristown, we have homeless people. Some rich people just don't like to share.

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Have you shared your living quarters with a Poor Person? No? Then don't make snide remarks. Do you give away even ten percent of your income to the poor? No? Then don't say anything.

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Hello, New Jersey! What's in the water up there? You guys seem a little over-represented on WP.

This is a crazy conversation.

I love living in the US and whenever I come back from another country I kiss the ground.

Someone early on said that the US is no more diverse than other countries. Of all the comments, that is the one I will have argue. I don't have statistics but I'm sure I could find them if I have to. The US IS diverse!

Not only are we STILL a melting pot with millions of immigrants and first-generation Americans, but most 2nd gen (and beyond) Americans are a mix of many different nationalities, cultures, religions.

Even here in suburban Atlanta, it is WAY more common to see a Muslim woman in a headscarf than a douchebag with a mullet and a confederate flag in his truck window. In fact, after the Balkan war - our Muslim population sky-rocketed - albeit mostly refugees.

And I can trace my own family tree to Ireland (What multi generation American isn't a little Irish?), Switzerland, Spain, Norway, Mexico and England. My husband is Irish, French, German, and Cherokee. And while I have all this, because of genetics - I have olive skin and people sometimes think I'm Greek, Italian or middle-eastern.

By the way, Obama is wrongfully called "Black". He was raised in a middle-class white family from Kansas. I get peeved when people just call him "black". Had his mom been black and his dad white, he'd probably look like Adam Sandler or something. His victory wasnt just a victory for black America - it was a victory for all American mutts.

Anyway, a few thousand disenfranchised guys from Algeria stuck in the projects, does not make a diverse population.

Ok - so having said all that...I love to travel and would love to have dual citizenship in the UK or France. I've moved around my entire life - so it just seems natural.

Oh - and thanks Idaho, for the potatos. (And Picabo Street). We all can laugh - but potatos are one of the food staples of not just the US, but France, Germany, Russia, Canada and Ireland, etc.

"They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom (fries)!"

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04 Mar 2009, 9:36 am

Tahitiii wrote:
I really don't have an income. And I have no control over any tangibles. I have nothing to give. I give huge chunks of time to people who need help, for what that's worth. There was a time when I could give more, and did.

I've lost track of where this is going. Why do you need to believe I'm a hypocrite, and what is your point?


Do not criticize other for not doing what you, yourself don't do. That is the point. If you do not give half of what you eat to others and you do not give half the clothes off your back to others, do not expect others to do so, regardless of how much or how little they have.

That is why I never inquire of anyone else what they give to charity, however much or little that may be. What is Mine is Mine and what is Theirs is Theirs.

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04 Mar 2009, 9:48 am

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I really find it funny how backwards US citizens see the US. Bank of America is a perfect example: It has these super-patriotic commericials, yet it... OUTSOURCES! Bank of >>>>America<<<<!
I missed this comment.
But that's true. The "local" bank was bought out by someone in Canada last spring. And I didn't even hear about it for half a year. They work so hard to shelter us from reality. (Just keep your eyes on the bread & circuses, and don't worry your little head about the warmongering. It'll never happen here. Sweet dreams.)



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04 Mar 2009, 10:07 am

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Do not criticize others for not doing what you, yourself don't do. That is the point. If you do not give half of what you eat to others and you do not give half the clothes off your back to others, do not expect others to do so, regardless of how much or how little they have.
Now you're just ranting. And not listening. (a) I was not criticiizing people for not being charitable. And (b) I do give what I have. I haven't bought any clothes in years, and what rags I have left no one would want. I have no control over money or food. All I have to give is time, and I do give it. But that was not the point.

I was critizing people who are happy to oppress other countries, believing that we will somehow profit. It is both immoral and irrational.
And I was critizing fat cats who pretend that all the looting is for our benefit, when they have no intention of sharing it.

Can you say "house slave?" We help them to accumulate wealth and power, which they intend to use against us.

Like Rhett Butler said, "All we have are slaves, cotton, and arrogance." Except that we outsourced the cotton years ago.



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04 Mar 2009, 10:35 am

huh, nationalism. :shrug:
I can do that too
*sings scotland the brave and flower of scotland*
even nationalism for my union of countries I reside in
*Sings britannia rules the waves and god save the queen*
but the thing is, proclaiming that your country is the best doesn't make your country the best. If I moved over to america I would be a social outcast, same as americans would be if they moved to britain.
And whats this fishybubble about britain copying you? LOL! :lmao: The language is called english, look into it bub. :P All modern americans started off as immigrants, some from spain, some from britain, some from other areas. The people I feel sorry for were the natives, white man stole their land, food and wealth.


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04 Mar 2009, 10:38 am

Tahitiii wrote:
atari2600a wrote:
I really find it funny how backwards US citizens see the US. Bank of America is a perfect example: It has these super-patriotic commericials, yet it... OUTSOURCES! Bank of >>>>America<<<<!
I missed this comment.
But that's true. The "local" bank was bought out by someone in Canada last spring.


Oh good, we got one back.

So many Canadian businesses are bought out by American interests.

*wink*


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04 Mar 2009, 3:25 pm

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Hello, New Jersey! What's in the water up there?

Last time I checked, dumped pharmaceuticals.


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04 Mar 2009, 3:30 pm

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Hello, New Jersey! What's in the water up there?
Everything New York and Philly don't want.



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04 Mar 2009, 3:46 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Tahitiii wrote:
atari2600a wrote:
I really find it funny how backwards US citizens see the US. Bank of America is a perfect example: It has these super-patriotic commericials, yet it... OUTSOURCES! Bank of >>>>America<<<<!
I missed this comment.
But that's true. The "local" bank was bought out by someone in Canada last spring.


Oh good, we got one back.

So many Canadian businesses are bought out by American interests.

*wink*


Canada gave us the BlackBerry! I couldn't LIVE without mine - even the president is addicted. Thanks, Canada! :heart:


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