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18 Apr 2009, 11:36 am

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No time or interest to trawl back through - as I remember it your X and Y may well have been correct but they didn't logically follow onto Z - hence me noting the fallacious supposition in your line of reasoning.

I think that the real issue then would have been the interpretation of my X or Y, rather than Z, as I think how I tried to phrase X or Y in a manner such that they should have logically led to Z, thus I was criticizing you for trying to attack a premise under the guise of a logical fallacy without actually describing what you were talking about.



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18 Apr 2009, 4:02 pm

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I am not NT, but I can agree with the frustration about uncommented GooTube Videos. I do not want to argue against a video. Videos irritate me because they use many forms of nonverbal language, I can not understand easily - or misunderstand. I at least want some info on what the video is about, what the stance of the thread creator is and why I should invest 10 minutes of my life and risk my browser's stability to watch it.


And in my experience the most of this videos make within the first three minute claims which are simply not true, but taken for real because a majority of people do not have any clue how the FED or any other central bank works, or why we do have the monetary system we have currently.

Further: In my experience the problem is today less that information are hidden by governments or other institutions, but that they are to many informations around and only a very few have the time and ability to read and understand the lengthy reports published by central banks, governments or institutions like the IMF.


agreed. And the relevant journals of these creeps cost a fortune anyhow - ie most people are precluded from the info anyhow - not in terms of the fed specifically but generally amongst the 'culture engineering' business



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18 Apr 2009, 4:11 pm

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No time or interest to trawl back through - as I remember it your X and Y may well have been correct but they didn't logically follow onto Z - hence me noting the fallacious supposition in your line of reasoning.

I think that the real issue then would have been the interpretation of my X or Y, rather than Z, as I think how I tried to phrase X or Y in a manner such that they should have logically led to Z, thus I was criticizing you for trying to attack a premise under the guise of a logical fallacy without actually describing what you were talking about.


This is a nonsense now, AG tbh - I've plainly stated my reasoning ie your X and Y didn't necessarily or logically follow onto Z - it's pretty plain and simple - I'm not interested in following this anally retentive algebraic crap any longer - you say you didn't make a logical fallacy - fine - I claim you did - so what?!

carry on if you must but clearly your X and Y didn't lead to Z no matter how you 'intended' their reception, by attempting to deflect it onto my 'interpretation' is just another illustration of this pervasive weaseling that is apparent on this board sometimes by a 'select few' - f*ck that sh*t already. grow some B*lls ffs and develop the capacity to be able to admit your wrong once in a while - it might sting a bit sometimes but overall one grows from it.

have the last word if you must. *moves on* :wink: :twisted:



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18 Apr 2009, 4:26 pm

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I've plainly stated my reasoning ie your X and Y didn't necessarily or logically follow onto Z - it's pretty plain and simple - I'm not interested in following this anally retentive algebraic crap any longer - you say you didn't make a logical fallacy - fine - I claim you did - so what?!

So what? Well, if you can't point to a logical fallacy, claiming that one is there is stupid.


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18 Apr 2009, 4:33 pm

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This is a nonsense now, AG tbh - I've plainly stated my reasoning ie your X and Y didn't necessarily or logically follow onto Z - it's pretty plain and simple - I'm not interested in following this anally retentive algebraic crap any longer - you say you didn't make a logical fallacy - fine - I claim you did - so what?!

carry on if you must but clearly your X and Y didn't lead to Z no matter how you 'intended' their reception, by attempting to deflect it onto my 'interpretation' is just another illustration of this pervasive weaseling that is apparent on this board sometimes by a 'select few' - f*ck that sh*t already. grow some B*lls ffs.

have the last word if you must. *moves on* :wink: :twisted:

No you haven't. You've mumbled something about "compartmentalization", which I took to be a modification of a prior premise saying that all of these people are not watching in the manner that I indicated.

Umm.... well, I think you should have been clearer in the first place, as I still argued my point was unblunted by "compartmentalization". In any case, I don't think I am weaseling too much, I really disagreed with your criticism, as it was not the point I was making. In any case, I would probably argue that between the two of us, you are likely just sloppier more so than I am just unusually weaselly.(this isn't to say that I am a weasel in some eyes, but I do make some contributions, and I still really do think that my reasoning is valid and the reasoning that most people would uphold to casually dismiss conspiracy theories)

Yeah, I do tend to take the last word, it is true, but I really do stand with how I handled the situation. I didn't even ascribe your comment to "interpretation issues". Like, for instance, your criticism was not a logical one, but rather a criticism of one of my premises. You can say that is weaselly, but I'll have to say that your own efforts were BS-y.



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18 Apr 2009, 5:22 pm

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This is a nonsense now, AG tbh - I've plainly stated my reasoning ie your X and Y didn't necessarily or logically follow onto Z - it's pretty plain and simple - I'm not interested in following this anally retentive algebraic crap any longer - you say you didn't make a logical fallacy - fine - I claim you did - so what?!

carry on if you must but clearly your X and Y didn't lead to Z no matter how you 'intended' their reception, by attempting to deflect it onto my 'interpretation' is just another illustration of this pervasive weaseling that is apparent on this board sometimes by a 'select few' - f*ck that sh*t already. grow some B*lls ffs.

have the last word if you must. *moves on* :wink: :twisted:

No you haven't. You've mumbled something about "compartmentalization", which I took to be a modification of a prior premise saying that all of these people are not watching in the manner that I indicated.

Umm.... well, I think you should have been clearer in the first place, as I still argued my point was unblunted by "compartmentalization". In any case, I don't think I am weaseling too much, I really disagreed with your criticism, as it was not the point I was making. In any case, I would nprobably argue that between the two of us, you are likely just sloppier more so than I am just unusually weaselly.(this isn't to say that I am a weasel in some eyes, but I do make some contributions, and I still really do think that my reasoning is valid and the reasoning that most people would uphold to casually dismiss conspiracy theories)

Yeah, I do tend to take the last word, it is true, but I really do stand with how I handled the situation. I didn't even ascribe your comment to "interpretation issues". Like, for instance, your criticism was not a logical one, but rather a criticism of one of my premises. You can say that is weaselly, but I'll have to say that your own efforts were BS-y.


LOL whatev, your X and Y didn't follow to Z. sloppy weasels. blah blah - take me up on the offer of looking into the London Bombings if you're so secure that 'conspiracy theory' is such a nonsense. IT"S A CHALLENGE,AG - consider it me thwacking your mug with the proverbial glove. Ignore it if you will but I'm calling you out on it - you have the internet at your fingertips to prove me wrong if you can. lulz

People that 'casually dismiss' but yet, paradoxically (ie not casual) are so vociferously vocal against any idea of a conspiracy are meat to my antennae tbh - bring it on, I'll start up the thread - all you need do is say okay :twisted:

My mention of 'compartmentalisation' was not cursory nor MUMBLING'- perhaps you are not aware but it is a MAJOR factor

AS SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT LONDON IF YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY



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18 Apr 2009, 5:59 pm

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LOL whatev, your X and Y didn't follow to Z. sloppy weasels. blah blah - take me up on the offer of looking into the London Bombings if you're so secure that 'conspiracy theory' is such a nonsense. IT"S A CHALLENGE,AG - consider it me thwacking your mug with the proverbial glove. Ignore it if you will but I'm calling you out on it - you have the internet at your fingertips to prove me wrong if you can. lulz

They basically did.

Umm.... I have other stuff I am interested in rather than investigating one specific instance in history just so I can argue a guy on the internet. It is basically like a Christian apologist telling me to research the resurrection just so I can argue with them.

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People that 'casually dismiss' but yet, paradoxically (ie not casual) are so vociferously vocal against any idea of a conspiracy are meat to my antennae tbh - bring it on, I'll start up the thread - all you need do is say okay :twisted:

Umm... I am not usually vocal. I ignore most of these conspiracy threads, I just became more active on this one because it involved the money supply, and economics is one of my personal interests. I am generally dismissive towards the idea, which is against the notion of "vociferiously vocal against any idea of a conspiracy" as there are anti-conspiracy theorists, then there are people who openly think that conspiracy theories are nonsense and not worth looking into.

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My mention of 'compartmentalisation' was not cursory nor MUMBLING'- perhaps you are not aware but it is a MAJOR factor

Umm.... what I meant by that was that you first just said something along the lines of "logical fallacy- compartmentalization" without explaining, and so I first tried to look it up. You later tried to explain it but that's because I pressed you upon it. In any case, my rebuttal was that I regarded academia as a source of knowledge, and the fact that none of them were conspiracy theorists as a legitimate reason to distrust large-scale conspiracy theories without having to look further.

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AS SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT LONDON IF YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY

Umm.... I think that conspiracies are a waste of time. You do realize that your attitude is like the apologist saying "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESURRECTION IF YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THERE IS NO GOD", I mean, the atheist is not beholden to know about the resurrection, the destruction of Troy, the milk miracle regarding Hindu sculptures, etc, just to reject those things. If that were the standard, then nobody could ever rationally reject everything, as 90% of the world hasn't even heard about some of these things, much less is capable to rationally speak about it.



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18 Apr 2009, 6:11 pm

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LOL whatev, your X and Y didn't follow to Z. sloppy weasels. blah blah - take me up on the offer of looking into the London Bombings if you're so secure that 'conspiracy theory' is such a nonsense. IT"S A CHALLENGE,AG - consider it me thwacking your mug with the proverbial glove. Ignore it if you will but I'm calling you out on it - you have the internet at your fingertips to prove me wrong if you can. lulz

They basically did.

Umm.... I have other stuff I am interested in rather than investigating one specific instance in history just so I can argue a guy on the internet. It is basically like a Christian apologist telling me to research the resurrection just so I can argue with them.

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People that 'casually dismiss' but yet, paradoxically (ie not casual) are so vociferously vocal against any idea of a conspiracy are meat to my antennae tbh - bring it on, I'll start up the thread - all you need do is say okay :twisted:

Umm... I am not usually vocal. I ignore most of these conspiracy threads, I just became more active on this one because it involved the money supply, and economics is one of my personal interests. I am generally dismissive towards the idea, which is against the notion of "vociferiously vocal against any idea of a conspiracy" as there are anti-conspiracy theorists, then there are people who openly think that conspiracy theories are nonsense and not worth looking into.

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My mention of 'compartmentalisation' was not cursory nor MUMBLING'- perhaps you are not aware but it is a MAJOR factor

Umm.... what I meant by that was that you first just said something along the lines of "logical fallacy- compartmentalization" without explaining, and so I first tried to look it up. You later tried to explain it but that's because I pressed you upon it. In any case, my rebuttal was that I regarded academia as a source of knowledge, and the fact that none of them were conspiracy theorists as a legitimate reason to distrust large-scale conspiracy theories without having to look further.

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AS SAID LET'S TALK ABOUT LONDON IF YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY

Umm.... I think that conspiracies are a waste of time. You do realize that your attitude is like the apologist saying "LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RESURRECTION IF YOU ARE SO SURE THAT THERE IS NO GOD", I mean, the atheist is not beholden to know about the resurrection, the destruction of Troy, the milk miracle regarding Hindu sculptures, etc, just to reject those things. If that were the standard, then nobody could ever rationally reject everything, as 90% of the world hasn't even heard about some of these things, much less is capable to rationally speak about it.


iI'll be perfectly frank with you. I have read about three quarters - I speculate - of your first sentence and the same amount moe or less of the last. haha edit) I was drawn to the caps of the last paragragh but still am reading through whatever uptight twaddle you scripted *shrugs*

I feel the same way about you 'coincedentalists' truth be known - you seem delusional to me.

NOTHING LIKE RESURRECTION BOLLOX - I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING CONTEMPORANEOUS!! ! however, from the little that I even read it would seem that you are a chicken s**t cop out that doesn't have the balls to face up to a challenge when it is put there IN YOUR FACE. *shrugs*


*ahem* HAHA i really haven't bothered to read your s**t ye, it's totally true - I will nwo - soorry, I mean 'now' - but it is clear you are COPPING OUT.

LONDON BOMBINGS - give me the word I'll start the thread - you think it's already a clear picture from 'what the internet says' - I say f**k YOU,MORON - I hope the swea filter will deal with that,Moshi, sorry! - just get annoyed by some folks arrogance *shrugs*

'reaver of souls' - my ass - you're reaving your own BS at this very point *shrugs* :twisted



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18 Apr 2009, 6:20 pm

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NOTHING LIKE RESURRECTION BOLLOX - I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING CONTEMPORANEOUS!! ! however, from the little that I even read it would seem that you are a chicken sh** cop out that doesn't have the balls to face up to a challenge when it is put there IN YOUR FACE. *shrugs*

Umm.... how is it really unlike the resurrection? I mean, basically, we have 2 people talk about what may or may not have happened at a period of time, where one side wants to establish some theory, and the other side just tags along to prove that they don't have to care about this random historical event..

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*ahem* HAHA i really haven't bothered to read your sh** ye, it's totally true - I will nwo - soorry, I mean 'now' - but it is clear you are COPPING OUT.

Umm... ok? I really was uninterested in talking about this matter.

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LONDON BOMBINGS - give me the word I'll start the thread - you think it's already a clear picture from 'what the internet says' - I say f**k YOU,MORON - I hope the swea filter will deal with that,Moshi, sorry! - just get annoyed by some folks arrogance *shrugs*

Ok? Thanks but no thanks.
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'reaver of souls' - my ass - you're reaving your own BS at this very point *shrugs* :twisted

I am plundering my own bs? I don't see how that is reasonably possible to plunder something that I apparently already own.



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18 Apr 2009, 6:45 pm

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NOTHING LIKE RESURRECTION BOLLOX - I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING CONTEMPORANEOUS!! ! however, from the little that I even read it would seem that you are a chicken sh** cop out that doesn't have the balls to face up to a challenge when it is put there IN YOUR FACE. *shrugs*

Umm.... how is it really unlike the resurrection? I mean, basically, we have 2 people talk about what may or may not have happened at a period of time, where one side wants to establish some theory, and the other side just tags along to prove that they don't have to care about this random historical event..

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*ahem* HAHA i really haven't bothered to read your sh** ye, it's totally true - I will nwo - soorry, I mean 'now' - but it is clear you are COPPING OUT.

Umm... ok? I really was uninterested in talking about this matter.

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LONDON BOMBINGS - give me the word I'll start the thread - you think it's already a clear picture from 'what the internet says' - I say f**k YOU,MORON - I hope the swea filter will deal with that,Moshi, sorry! - just get annoyed by some folks arrogance *shrugs*

Ok? Thanks but no thanks.
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'reaver of souls' - my ass - you're reaving your own BS at this very point *shrugs* :twisted

I am plundering my own bs? I don't see how that is reasonably possible to plunder something that I apparently already own.


ok, well the difference between the resurrection and London bombings in one is a myth that happened about 2000 years ago and the other us an actual event that happened less than 10 years ago. See the difference?

Look - I AM CALLING YOU OUT, OH REAVER OF SOULS - IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A p**** - fair enough but nevertheless, YOU BACKED DOWN WHEN A 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST' CALLED YOU OUT FOR OPEN DEBATE - IF YOU PERSIST ON DENOUNCING 'US LOT' AS IDIOTS THEN IT JUST SHOWS WHAT A COP OUT COWARDLY TOSSER YOU ACTUALLY ARE *SHRUGS* - I HAVEN'T WITHDRAWN MY CHALLENGE, YOU CAN STILL TRY AND PROVE YOU HAVE SOME COURAGE - OTHERWISE, STOP TALKING s**t ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW f**k ALL ABOUT - by which I mean slagging off, 'conspiracy theorists' as a static blob because some of 'them' know much about stuff you aren't even aware of, you silly puppy



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18 Apr 2009, 6:56 pm

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ok, well the difference between the resurrection and London bombings in one is a myth that happened about 2000 years ago and the other us an actual event that happened less than 10 years ago. See the difference?

Look - I AM CALLING YOU OUT, OH REAVER OF SOULS - IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE A p**** - fair enough but nevertheless, YOU BACKED DOWN WHEN A 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST' CALLED YOU OUT FOR OPEN DEBATE - IF YOU PERSIST ON DENOUNCING 'US LOT' AS IDIOTS THEN IT JUST SHOWS WHAT A COP OUT COWARDLY TOSSER YOU ACTUALLY ARE *SHRUGS* - I HAVEN'T WITHDRAWN MY CHALLENGE, YOU CAN STILL TRY AND PROVE YOU HAVE SOME COURAGE - OTHERWISE, STOP TALKING sh** ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW f**k ALL ABOUT - by which I mean slagging off, 'conspiracy theorists' as a static blob because some of 'them' know much about stuff you aren't even aware of, you silly puppy

It is not that significant to me. I mean, if not the resurrection, then the hindu milk miracle is another thing that pops up, and it happened in the last 20 years and was on video tape. I do not think I am beholden to have to intelligently answer the hindi folks to say that it is likely a coincidence, as after all, coincidences do occur, they are rare, but so are most major events.

Umm.... I am already pretty open about this not being my specialty, and I really did not want to this.

Umm.... I also do not think I claimed that conspiracy theorists were idiots. I called it a mind virus, which means that it is an intellectual position that entraps the mind into a certain pattern of pattern recognition that likely does not correspond to reality. Whether or not a specific instance is perfectly figured out(AKA the conspiracy theorist is right on one thing) does not mean that the conspiracy theorist is right on all things, or globally accurate.

Umm.... ok? I am cowardly because I don't really care to get into an argument on demand about a topic that I am not that concerned about. How terrible of me, I suppose I must apologize to the conspiracy zombie and hand him my brain for that reason.

In any case, have fun with that UFO chasing, I am sure you'll find area 51.



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WRITING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOU MUCH MORE CONVINGING!!


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I AGREE!

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18 Apr 2009, 9:08 pm

To all conspiracy theorists:

If the NWO is so evil, so sinister, so willing to kill people that get in their way...

WHY THE f**k HAVEN'T YOU SHUT UP?

You'd think that such an evil cabal would get rid of anybody exposing them, but nooooooo, you keep spewing your verbal diarrhea. I mean, are they so incompetent that they can't even get some lawyer to send a cease-and-desist letter to Youtube/WP/some other conspiracy website?

And before you say that they keep quiet because they don't want you to know that they run everything, you're making it far more complicated than it already is. Seriously, haven't you heard of Occam's razor?


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ORWELL WEARS WOMEN'S CLOTHING! (convinced yet?)

AND HANGS AROUND IN BARS!

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Orwell wrote:
WRITING IN ALL CAPS MAKES YOU MUCH MORE CONVINGING!!


IT ALSO REMINDS ME NOT TO DRINK CHEAP RUM