AS and racism
12 May 2009, 9:21 pm
Zoonic wrote:
I've been called racist all my life because I always claimed people from southern Europe and the middle east, as well as many africans, had a very distinctive body smell compared to northern and western europeans. I honestly would lie if I said I didn't think so still.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Im white and whats so ironic is that I often joke with other whites about prison rape and how funny it is for white inmates to be raped and made into "b*****s" by black inmates. Ive evn taunt white supremacists about them being gay or having small dicks.
Part of me feels that because of what whites did to blacks, what happens in the slammer is black retaliation and that such is justifiable. Does that make me a "racist" too?
12 May 2009, 9:22 pm
Asians are known to hate blacks, but of course with any stereotype it's not 100% true.
The smell could also depend on how much someone sweats, my dad usually has an odor, because he sweats a lot because of his high blood pressure and he also drinks a lot of coffee, that can make a stink, he is half Irish and half German by the way.
So, it has to do with what they eat as well as there biological function.
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12 May 2009, 10:08 pm
Haliphron wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
I've been called racist all my life because I always claimed people from southern Europe and the middle east, as well as many africans, had a very distinctive body smell compared to northern and western europeans. I honestly would lie if I said I didn't think so still.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Im white and whats so ironic is that I often joke with other whites about prison rape and how funny it is for white inmates to be raped and made into "b*****s" by black inmates. Ive evn taunt white supremacists about them being gay or having small dicks.
Part of me feels that because of what whites did to blacks, what happens in the slammer is black retaliation and that such is justifiable. Does that make me a "racist" too?
One of the basic underlying problems of racism is the transfer of specific antisocial characteristics of past behaviors onto all current individuals of the same race or culture. To justify the mistreatment of an innocent individual on the basis that his or her culture or nation committed despicable acts is beyond stupid. It is merely a prolongation of horrible injustice.
12 May 2009, 11:10 pm
Sand wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
I've been called racist all my life because I always claimed people from southern Europe and the middle east, as well as many africans, had a very distinctive body smell compared to northern and western europeans. I honestly would lie if I said I didn't think so still.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Sometimes when I've been sitting next to someone of southern/middle-eastern origin in an airplane I've almost felt suffocated. As a child I was extremely oversensitive to perfume as well and I still feel slightly sick from smelling certain perfumed soaps.
My AS makes me politically incorrect by nature. If I see something I don't like I say so, and many times this has labeled me as racist or bigot.
Im white and whats so ironic is that I often joke with other whites about prison rape and how funny it is for white inmates to be raped and made into "b*****s" by black inmates. Ive evn taunt white supremacists about them being gay or having small dicks.
Part of me feels that because of what whites did to blacks, what happens in the slammer is black retaliation and that such is justifiable. Does that make me a "racist" too?
One of the basic underlying problems of racism is the transfer of specific antisocial characteristics of past behaviors onto all current individuals of the same race or culture. To justify the mistreatment of an innocent individual on the basis that his or her culture or nation committed despicable acts is beyond stupid. It is merely a prolongation of horrible injustice.
I honestly agree, but the trouble is people have the tendency to this if and when they can get away with it. Lemme tell you something Sand, if I had been born in South Africa I certainly would have opposed apartheid but seeing what has happened since the collapse of apartheid I would do everything in my power to leave the country. The reason being that now that blacks have taken back their country they are carrying out a brutal revenge campaign of mob violence against whites. Im surprised there hasnt been a mass exodus of whites from South Africa who fear that if they remain they will be killed by black mobs and the state will do nothing to protect them. In a sense its a twist of the whole concept of ORIGINAL SIN.
People tend to believe in guilt by association, they believe it mechanically. There's this populist idea that you are responsible for what your ancestors did simply because you're related to them by blood. I agree, its VERY Wrong but Im not sure what can really be done to stop it.
17 May 2009, 12:49 am
Zoonic: most of the obese Americans are actually white. Hispanics aret typically obese but either really skinny or mildly overweight. And your seeming dislike of anything non-white and insulting things as petty as smells disgusts me. As an Indian American(although I look more Middle Eastern because of my mixed blood) WITH AS on top of that has lead me to be alienated a bit within my own society. I can't even count how many times racism has occurred on me in my 18 years of life. Words like sandn*gger and terrorist and much much more have dominated my life with white people. And yes it is almost ONLY white people who tend to be racist(at least in America) and white people also tend to be the ones with the annoying superiority complex.(look at how Europe basically stole India and Africa 100 years ago) Now I am an anti-racist(half white myself) but the double standards that go on in America and Europe are absolutely ridiculous and get on my nerves...
17 May 2009, 12:57 am
Zoonic wrote:
Bluestocking wrote:
I'm an extreme antiracism activist, probably because all of my years of being bullied for having AS make me sympathetic to other people who face discrimination. If I see someone acting racist, even one of my friends, I tend to call them out on it, and make them very uncomfortable, but it needs to be done.
I got bullied by iranians growing up. The kind who need a flashy education just to "show off", who work black/taxfree to get a Mercedes while not even having furniture at home. They feel an obsessive need to adapt to society in order to "prove themselves" and get respected and they don't hesitate to kick downwards.
Iranian kids were treated with lower degrees of xenophobia by swedish kids, such as being labeled "turks" and being the target of cheap jokes, and even though I wasn't completely alienated all the time, there were always trouble around me and social tension between me and others. The iranians started trashtalking me badly when they saw I was a solo guy who didn't belong to any group. They tried to bash at me for being what they viewed as "lower in society" and used me as a way of showing how "integrated" they were.
In Iran, I learned, autistic children are sometimes locked in the basement because a disabled child brings dishonor to the family and for iranians social status and money is more important than life. Everything else is just a shallow masquerade in comparison. Many indians and pakistanis are also like this. In my oppinion they don't even love their children, they just want to achieve their twisted and vulgar idea of "status" and prove to the europeans, the white people, how grand and worthy they are.
My personal oppinion of iranians is that everything Hitler said about jews is true when it comes to iranians. They actually try to defile western society from within by getting high educations and titles but in reality they truly despise people and care only for boosting their already inflated and damaged egos.
My AS allowed me to see this because I became their victim, because of my AS. They used me to make themselves appear as more "civilized" in the eyes of swedes (who they also secretly despised).
Please stop generalizing middle-easterners. I have autism and come from a mainly Indian family and I am loved and supported. I know many Iranians and they are not all materialistic or cold-hearted. I am sorry that you were bullied by SOME Iranians but I was bullied but white people(still kinda am) and I don't generalize a whole race based off of a bunch of idiots that I have the misfortune to know. And btw white people are also obsessed with status and absolute materialism, just look at Hollywood. Oh and your post makes it seem as though we have some sort of inferiority complex...this is VERY far from the truth. I'm sorry if most of us like to get college degrees and make an honest living with a white-collar job. In America middle-easterners and Indians are the two most successful ethnic groups in the nation and among the highest educated. If anything I believe blue-collar westerners despise us for succeeding within their culture and comfort zone. BTW your post reeks of xenophobia.
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17 May 2009, 3:00 pm
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic: most of the obese Americans are actually white. Hispanics aret typically obese but either really skinny or mildly overweight. And your seeming dislike of anything non-white and insulting things as petty as smells disgusts me. As an Indian American(although I look more Middle Eastern because of my mixed blood) WITH AS on top of that has lead me to be alienated a bit within my own society. I can't even count how many times racism has occurred on me in my 18 years of life. Words like sandn*gger and terrorist and much much more have dominated my life with white people. And yes it is almost ONLY white people who tend to be racist(at least in America) and white people also tend to be the ones with the annoying superiority complex.(look at how Europe basically stole India and Africa 100 years ago) Now I am an anti-racist(half white myself) but the double standards that go on in America and Europe are absolutely ridiculous and get on my nerves...
I don't really care how immigrants are treated in the west. I wouldn't expect positive treatment if I moved to India. In fact I would never move to India.
Your reasoning shows the classic signs of middle-eastern self-glorification. Bashing at the "whites" as if being white made you a more legitimate target for racism. I know that kind of reasoning, middle-easterners always resort to it. At the end of the day all white people, who in fact created the countries you now live in and parasite off culturally, are "trailer trash" while you are "the most succesful group yadayadayada"...
You know what? Let's bring the Crimson Phoenix and Legendary Rock down from the Sky and have the Western People bow to the the True Aryans of the Ever Burning Flame. Golden Elephants will rain from the Sky and the Eternal Glory of Heaven will shine in the Garden of the Night. The Alabaster Horns will sound and Angels will weep for the Noble Lords in their Proud Chariots. The Infinite Beauty of The Palace of Lions will drench the world in Safron and Tamarind and the Tears of Gods will bless the Ground on which You walk.
Then we can finish it all off with a mass-dancing scene, Bollywood style, with men wearing lipstick, eyeliner and 3-day scruff showing off oiled and waxed upper bodies, accompanied by dissonant snake charmer flutes. That would truly put the western world in a state of awe.
Would that make you happy?
17 May 2009, 6:20 pm
Zoonic wrote:
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic: most of the obese Americans are actually white. Hispanics aret typically obese but either really skinny or mildly overweight. And your seeming dislike of anything non-white and insulting things as petty as smells disgusts me. As an Indian American(although I look more Middle Eastern because of my mixed blood) WITH AS on top of that has lead me to be alienated a bit within my own society. I can't even count how many times racism has occurred on me in my 18 years of life. Words like sandn*gger and terrorist and much much more have dominated my life with white people. And yes it is almost ONLY white people who tend to be racist(at least in America) and white people also tend to be the ones with the annoying superiority complex.(look at how Europe basically stole India and Africa 100 years ago) Now I am an anti-racist(half white myself) but the double standards that go on in America and Europe are absolutely ridiculous and get on my nerves...
I don't really care how immigrants are treated in the west. I wouldn't expect positive treatment if I moved to India. In fact I would never move to India.
Your reasoning shows the classic signs of middle-eastern self-glorification. Bashing at the "whites" as if being white made you a more legitimate target for racism. I know that kind of reasoning, middle-easterners always resort to it. At the end of the day all white people, who in fact created the countries you now live in and parasite off culturally, are "trailer trash" while you are "the most succesful group yadayadayada"...
You know what? Let's bring the Crimson Phoenix and Legendary Rock down from the Sky and have the Western People bow to the the True Aryans of the Ever Burning Flame. Golden Elephants will rain from the Sky and the Eternal Glory of Heaven will shine in the Garden of the Night. The Alabaster Horns will sound and Angels will weep for the Noble Lords in their Proud Chariots. The Infinite Beauty of The Palace of Lions will drench the world in Safron and Tamarind and the Tears of Gods will bless the Ground on which You walk.
Then we can finish it all off with a mass-dancing scene, Bollywood style, with men wearing lipstick, eyeliner and 3-day scruff showing off oiled and waxed upper bodies, accompanied by dissonant snake charmer flutes. That would truly put the western world in a state of awe.
Would that make you happy?
OK, so do you just want everyone to go back to their ancestral countries? White people didn't create America but stole it and used genocide to take it over from its' original inhabitants. Sweden is a different situation but in the Western hemisphere everyone from anywhere has an equal right to that land.
Oh and in the US it is a FACT not a thing of self-pride that Indian-Americans have the highest income levels of all groups and have very very low crime rates. I do not speak for the Middle-Eastern community as I am not Muslim and am not Arab or Persian so please do not lump completely different races and cultures together.
BTW the last two paragraphs of your post were in pretty poor taste and had nothing to do with this argument. You seem to carry a double standard in that you were upset for Persians treating you like crap yet you don't care what happens to other groups. Plus I dont see how I parasite off of them culturally. Oh and where did you get the trailer park thing from? European culture is very distinguished and and a thing to obviously be proud of. But I dont think you can classify a whole race by some jerks you knew when you were a child just like I can't dislike all white people for the racist actions of some.
By the way where did I self-glorify myself? All I said was that Indian-Americans are hard-working and don't cause much trouble. From what I understand the situation is different with middle-easterners in Europe but that is them and this is me. No need to lump two groups together.
17 May 2009, 6:41 pm
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic: most of the obese Americans are actually white. Hispanics aret typically obese but either really skinny or mildly overweight. And your seeming dislike of anything non-white and insulting things as petty as smells disgusts me. As an Indian American(although I look more Middle Eastern because of my mixed blood) WITH AS on top of that has lead me to be alienated a bit within my own society. I can't even count how many times racism has occurred on me in my 18 years of life. Words like sandn*gger and terrorist and much much more have dominated my life with white people. And yes it is almost ONLY white people who tend to be racist(at least in America) and white people also tend to be the ones with the annoying superiority complex.(look at how Europe basically stole India and Africa 100 years ago) Now I am an anti-racist(half white myself) but the double standards that go on in America and Europe are absolutely ridiculous and get on my nerves...
I don't really care how immigrants are treated in the west. I wouldn't expect positive treatment if I moved to India. In fact I would never move to India.
Your reasoning shows the classic signs of middle-eastern self-glorification. Bashing at the "whites" as if being white made you a more legitimate target for racism. I know that kind of reasoning, middle-easterners always resort to it. At the end of the day all white people, who in fact created the countries you now live in and parasite off culturally, are "trailer trash" while you are "the most succesful group yadayadayada"...
You know what? Let's bring the Crimson Phoenix and Legendary Rock down from the Sky and have the Western People bow to the the True Aryans of the Ever Burning Flame. Golden Elephants will rain from the Sky and the Eternal Glory of Heaven will shine in the Garden of the Night. The Alabaster Horns will sound and Angels will weep for the Noble Lords in their Proud Chariots. The Infinite Beauty of The Palace of Lions will drench the world in Safron and Tamarind and the Tears of Gods will bless the Ground on which You walk.
Then we can finish it all off with a mass-dancing scene, Bollywood style, with men wearing lipstick, eyeliner and 3-day scruff showing off oiled and waxed upper bodies, accompanied by dissonant snake charmer flutes. That would truly put the western world in a state of awe.
Would that make you happy?
OK, so do you just want everyone to go back to their ancestral countries? White people didn't create America but stole it and used genocide to take it over from its' original inhabitants. Sweden is a different situation but in the Western hemisphere everyone from anywhere has an equal right to that land.
Oh and in the US it is a FACT not a thing of self-pride that Indian-Americans have the highest income levels of all groups and have very very low crime rates. I do not speak for the Middle-Eastern community as I am not Muslim and am not Arab or Persian so please do not lump completely different races and cultures together.
BTW the last two paragraphs of your post were in pretty poor taste and had nothing to do with this argument. You seem to carry a double standard in that you were upset for Persians treating you like crap yet you don't care what happens to other groups. Plus I dont see how I parasite off of them culturally. Oh and where did you get the trailer park thing from? European culture is very distinguished and and a thing to obviously be proud of. But I dont think you can classify a whole race by some jerks you knew when you were a child just like I can't dislike all white people for the racist actions of some.
By the way where did I self-glorify myself? All I said was that Indian-Americans are hard-working and don't cause much trouble. From what I understand the situation is different with middle-easterners in Europe but that is them and this is me. No need to lump two groups together.
You presented completely false facts. I even watched american health programs about obesity and they said blacks had higher rates of obesity, as did latinos. The most obese city in all of the US is apparently Memphis (as well as highest rate of many crimes), I don't know about the ethnic breakdown of the citizens there but overall the lowest income classes also have the highest obesity and the lowest in income are, seen over the entire country, blacks and hispanics.
It seemed you were just doing the usual "imperialist pigs who now live in trailers while our glorious race of IT-engineers are the elite of your societies yada yada" alongside the false facts about obesity, to make whites seem as stupid, fat ex-opressors who now get payback from the "superior" races.
17 May 2009, 6:56 pm
Zoonic wrote:
You presented completely false facts. I even watched american health programs about obesity and they said blacks had higher rates of obesity, as did latinos. The most obese city in all of the US is apparently Memphis (as well as highest rate of many crimes), I don't know about the ethnic breakdown of the citizens there but overall the lowest income classes also have the highest obesity and the lowest in income are, seen over the entire country, blacks and hispanics.
Yes, white people are significantly less obese than blacks and latinos in the United States. You know, when you're arguing a factual point you can just use the f*****g Google.
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17 May 2009, 6:59 pm
Zoonic wrote:
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic wrote:
hyder13 wrote:
Zoonic: most of the obese Americans are actually white. Hispanics aret typically obese but either really skinny or mildly overweight. And your seeming dislike of anything non-white and insulting things as petty as smells disgusts me. As an Indian American(although I look more Middle Eastern because of my mixed blood) WITH AS on top of that has lead me to be alienated a bit within my own society. I can't even count how many times racism has occurred on me in my 18 years of life. Words like sandn*gger and terrorist and much much more have dominated my life with white people. And yes it is almost ONLY white people who tend to be racist(at least in America) and white people also tend to be the ones with the annoying superiority complex.(look at how Europe basically stole India and Africa 100 years ago) Now I am an anti-racist(half white myself) but the double standards that go on in America and Europe are absolutely ridiculous and get on my nerves...
I don't really care how immigrants are treated in the west. I wouldn't expect positive treatment if I moved to India. In fact I would never move to India.
Your reasoning shows the classic signs of middle-eastern self-glorification. Bashing at the "whites" as if being white made you a more legitimate target for racism. I know that kind of reasoning, middle-easterners always resort to it. At the end of the day all white people, who in fact created the countries you now live in and parasite off culturally, are "trailer trash" while you are "the most succesful group yadayadayada"...
You know what? Let's bring the Crimson Phoenix and Legendary Rock down from the Sky and have the Western People bow to the the True Aryans of the Ever Burning Flame. Golden Elephants will rain from the Sky and the Eternal Glory of Heaven will shine in the Garden of the Night. The Alabaster Horns will sound and Angels will weep for the Noble Lords in their Proud Chariots. The Infinite Beauty of The Palace of Lions will drench the world in Safron and Tamarind and the Tears of Gods will bless the Ground on which You walk.
Then we can finish it all off with a mass-dancing scene, Bollywood style, with men wearing lipstick, eyeliner and 3-day scruff showing off oiled and waxed upper bodies, accompanied by dissonant snake charmer flutes. That would truly put the western world in a state of awe.
Would that make you happy?
OK, so do you just want everyone to go back to their ancestral countries? White people didn't create America but stole it and used genocide to take it over from its' original inhabitants. Sweden is a different situation but in the Western hemisphere everyone from anywhere has an equal right to that land.
Oh and in the US it is a FACT not a thing of self-pride that Indian-Americans have the highest income levels of all groups and have very very low crime rates. I do not speak for the Middle-Eastern community as I am not Muslim and am not Arab or Persian so please do not lump completely different races and cultures together.
BTW the last two paragraphs of your post were in pretty poor taste and had nothing to do with this argument. You seem to carry a double standard in that you were upset for Persians treating you like crap yet you don't care what happens to other groups. Plus I dont see how I parasite off of them culturally. Oh and where did you get the trailer park thing from? European culture is very distinguished and and a thing to obviously be proud of. But I dont think you can classify a whole race by some jerks you knew when you were a child just like I can't dislike all white people for the racist actions of some.
By the way where did I self-glorify myself? All I said was that Indian-Americans are hard-working and don't cause much trouble. From what I understand the situation is different with middle-easterners in Europe but that is them and this is me. No need to lump two groups together.
You presented completely false facts. I even watched american health programs about obesity and they said blacks had higher rates of obesity, as did latinos. The most obese city in all of the US is apparently Memphis (as well as highest rate of many crimes), I don't know about the ethnic breakdown of the citizens there but overall the lowest income classes also have the highest obesity and the lowest in income are, seen over the entire country, blacks and hispanics.
It seemed you were just doing the usual "imperialist pigs who now live in trailers while our glorious race of IT-engineers are the elite of your societies yada yada" alongside the false facts about obesity, to make whites seem as stupid, fat ex-opressors who now get payback from the "superior" races.
Well my main point was that white Americans also have an obesity problem(all races here do to some extent except Asians). Indians/Middle-Easterners are not superior to any race nor is any race superior to us. Again, I AM HALF WHITE. I cant be racist against myself. It just happens that in the US mainly highly educated Indian families come here and instill those values into their kids. Just like upper-class white families in America do. Hell 40 percent of Indians can't even read, only the highly educated ones manage to leave to the first World...there is a reason my father left India lol
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17 May 2009, 7:16 pm
I've sometimes been the subject of racism myself. But, not for being a racist, but for me being the target of racism.
I'm hispanic, Mexican and Salvadorian to be exact, and many of my friends call me a "border-hopper", even though both me and my parents were BOTH born in the US. Yes, Mexicans have a reputation for sneaking over here in the US, but that doesn't make us all the same.
It's like people who live or are from Germany. That doesn't automatically make them Nazis now, does it?
They also criticize me (more likely poke fun, but still) for liking a lot of American-oriented stuff, like I prefer rock music instead of that reggeaton trash, and I happen to dress with clothes from Hollister and Aeropostale, rather than wearing bandanas, baggy jeans, or XXX-large shirts. Many of the hispanics at my high-school are very ego-headed about that stuff, like they mainly speak Spanish amongst each other, and they all dress the same. Just because I'm friends with more caucasian people and I don't speak Spanish, doesn't mean anything.
Seriously people, just accept it.
