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19 Mar 2011, 1:56 pm

marshall wrote:

slave wages.

again this Marxist BS

under capitalism there is not such thing as "slave wages" but only rational actors who voluntary sale of one's own time and efforts for reciprocal gains

this is ECON 101

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19 Mar 2011, 2:08 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

marshall wrote:

slave wages.

again this Marxist BS

under capitalism there is not such thing as "slave wages" but only rational actors who voluntary sale of one's own time and efforts for reciprocal gains

this is ECON 101

Since when are humans rational actors? :lol:

Also, the word "voluntary" becomes entirely a matter of semantics when the only other alternative is starvation.

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19 Mar 2011, 2:08 pm

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economic right-wing: logic

You have given us no evidence of such.

The evidence: capitalistic US and western europe --->economic super-power

Cuba,USSR,vietnam-----> s**thole

socialism= poverty & death
capitalism= prosperity

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19 Mar 2011, 2:12 pm

During the Irish potato famine, men fled Ireland looking for work; their labor was so cheap that they would literally starve to death working all day long, because they could not afford to buy enough food to make up for the calories they had lost by working all day.
Meanwhile, in Ireland, the rich people who owned land good enough to grow food other than potatoes were exporting food crops from Ireland throughout the famine. Those compassionate land lords who took pity on their tenants and kept them from starving to death, rather than exporting their grain, ended up losing their land.

That is supply and demand. That's what you get with laissez-faire economics.

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19 Mar 2011, 2:15 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

LibertarianAS wrote:

economic right-wing: logic

You have given us no evidence of such.

The evidence: capitalistic US and western europe --->economic super-power

Cuba,USSR,vietnam-----> s**thole

socialism= poverty & death
capitalism= prosperity

false dichotomy

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19 Mar 2011, 2:17 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

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economic right-wing: logic

You have given us no evidence of such.

The evidence: capitalistic US and western europe --->economic super-power

Cuba,USSR,vietnam-----> s**thole

socialism= poverty & death
capitalism= prosperity

Simplistic, overgeneralized and incorrect interpretation of history & economics

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19 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

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and why was their labor so cheap? exactly because they were unskilled workers with no formal education(mostly illiterate),probably low IQ(or they would have figured they were wasting calories) and no other f*****g skill except a pair of arms

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Those compassionate land lords who took pity on their tenants and kept them from starving to death, rather than exporting their grain, ended up losing their land.

That is supply and demand. That's what you get with laissez-faire economics.

Alternative? Force the landslord to give food away for free at gunpoint?

Laissez-faire is all about freedom....the freedom to starve is another freedom

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19 Mar 2011, 2:38 pm

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Exactly the population you want to create by wiping out public education. What a coincidence.
(btw, back then there was no such thing as 'nutriton science' and the concept of a food calorie hadn't been invented).

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Alternative? Force the landslord to give food away for free at gunpoint?

another false dichotomy.

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Laissez-faire is all about freedom....the freedom to starve is another freedom

That's a little like saying that someone at gunpoint has a 'choice' about whether to do what the gunman wants.

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19 Mar 2011, 2:39 pm

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Alternative? Force the landslord to give food away for free at gunpoint?

Laissez-faire is all about freedom....the freedom to starve is another freedom

Hey Dox47, are you reading this? Can you still claim that the difference between my ideology and this person's ideology is a moral one only if I make it one?

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19 Mar 2011, 2:44 pm

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Laissez-faire is all about freedom....the freedom to starve is another freedom

That's a little like saying that someone at gunpoint has a 'choice' about whether to do what the gunman wants.

It's all BS semantics. LibertarianAS's description of freedom is a perversion and a farce. Personally I'd rather be shot in the head than be forced to starve to death.

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19 Mar 2011, 2:46 pm

In other words, those people deserved to starve to death for having dared to be born in the wrong time and place.

Enough of your BS "just world hypothesis." The world is not just, and this fact is obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

And "forcing" the landlord to give food away is certainly not morally worse than forcing the laborers to starve to death, especially when the land was stolen from the Irish by force.

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19 Mar 2011, 3:05 pm

Orwell wrote:

55% of billionaires are self-made

so rags to riches are not only uncommon....but common in a laisse-faire economy

The only force that prevent people with enough determination and intelligence to become a Leader is the "collective"(government,religion,socialism etc)

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19 Mar 2011, 3:12 pm

Cute; you're still foolish enough to buy into the Horatio Alger myth.

And nothing you said directly addressed my comments. Is it becoming inconvenient for you to discuss the topic in any detail? Perhaps because the details show the horrible consequences of your ideology?

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19 Mar 2011, 3:13 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

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I agree with that, but who the hell deserves to starve? Work is supposed to feed you.

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19 Mar 2011, 3:14 pm

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And nothing you said directly addressed my comments. Is it becoming inconvenient for you to discuss the topic in any detail? Perhaps because the details show the horrible consequences of your ideology?

just Compare Mao Communist China and today laisse-faire ultra-capitalist China

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19 Mar 2011, 3:16 pm

LibertarianAS wrote:

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just Compare Mao Communist China and today laisse-faire ultra-capitalist China

That did save their economy from collapsing under its own weight, but China is still very authoritarian so that makes em corporatist.

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