Board index › Topical Discussion › Politics, Philosophy, and Religion

If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

Page 53 of 94 [ 1500 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56 ... 94  Next

Previous topic | Next topic

JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 52
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

11 Sep 2011, 8:38 am

Tequila wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Its the Conservatives that encourage abortions by telling pregnant women to drop dead when they need help. Liberal policies are far more effective in reducing abortions because they meet the needs of pregnant women.


What a lot of rot you do talk.

There are so many different kinds of conservatism and different kinds of liberalism too - massive generalisation.

A classical liberal might say that abortion is legal but you fund it out of your own pocket. Or that it should be illegal.
A conservative might have very little objection to abortion, if he/she is more towards the left-wing of conservatism.


Nuance has no place here :lol:.
Conservative = Fascist
Liberal = Maoist
that way we can avoid the embarrassment having a constructive conversations.
:wink:


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


b9
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,003
Location: australia

11 Sep 2011, 8:41 am

i have no idea where the threshold of "humanity" lies in the development of a foetus, and so i could never make any ruling on that matter. i think that if it can be said that a foetus is healthy, and can be brought safely to actual birth, then to terminate that process with a "decision" is a seriously defective action.



Booyakasha
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 6 Oct 2009
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,898

11 Sep 2011, 8:55 am

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
pandabear wrote:
How can you consider "Conservatives" as anything other than mean-spirited?


Because I'm not a stupid moron.


:roll:

Actually, we did establish above that you are, indeed, a moron.

Now, you are claiming that you just aren't a stupid moron. The reason you cite for not regarding "Conservatives" as mean-spirited is that you are not a stupid moron.

You would have to be quite stupid not to regard "Conservatives" as mean-spirited.

Hence, we have proven that you are a stupid moron.

Wanting a woman and her baby to die in the street if she can't live on $35 per month--that is about as mean-spirited as you can get.


Pandabear & Inuyasha, under the forum rules no one is allowed to be called neither stupid nor a moron. Please respect the rules of conduct.



pandabear
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,402

11 Sep 2011, 9:37 am

:salut:



pandabear
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Age: 67
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,402

11 Sep 2011, 9:41 am

Tequila wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Its the Conservatives that encourage abortions by telling pregnant women to drop dead when they need help. Liberal policies are far more effective in reducing abortions because they meet the needs of pregnant women.


What a lot of rot you do talk.

There are so many different kinds of conservatism and different kinds of liberalism too - massive generalisation.

A classical liberal might say that abortion is legal but you fund it out of your own pocket. Or that it should be illegal.
A conservative might have very little objection to abortion, if he/she is more towards the left-wing of conservatism.


You may have nuances in the UK.

Here in the USA, if you believe in and agree with everything that Rush Limbaugh and the various minions of Rupert Murdoch have to say, then you are a "Conservative."

If not, then you are a "Flaming Liberal."

It really is as simple as that. There is no "middle ground."



Beauty_pact
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 145
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,314
Location: Svíþjoð

11 Sep 2011, 9:48 am

b9 wrote:
i have no idea where the threshold of "humanity" lies in the development of a foetus, and so i could never make any ruling on that matter. i think that if it can be said that a foetus is healthy, and can be brought safely to actual birth, then to terminate that process with a "decision" is a seriously defective action.


Why, exactly, would it be a "defective" action? If being pregnant ruins the life of the person, then why is it a "defective" act to remove the undesired parasite? If life is so precious that it can't ever die that way then why is humanity doomed to extinction, at some point in time, anyway?



b9
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,003
Location: australia

11 Sep 2011, 10:00 am

Beauty_pact wrote:
b9 wrote:
i have no idea where the threshold of "humanity" lies in the development of a foetus, and so i could never make any ruling on that matter. i think that if it can be said that a foetus is healthy, and can be brought safely to actual birth, then to terminate that process with a "decision" is a seriously defective action.


Why, exactly, would it be a "defective" action? If being pregnant ruins the life of the person, then why is it a "defective" act to remove the undesired parasite? If life is so precious that it can't ever die that way then why is humanity doomed to extinction, at some point in time, anyway?


you think in extremes. i did say "if it can be said that a foetus is healthy, and can be brought safely to actual birth, then to terminate that process with a "decision" is a seriously defective action".

so you say (in my mind) that you would not trade the feotus's life for your own life.
neither would i (if i was a gestating mother).

but to terminate someone because they will simply "be a hassle" is an unforgivable action that i can never see past when i see the person who made the decision.



Beauty_pact
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Oct 2010
Age: 145
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,314
Location: Svíþjoð

11 Sep 2011, 10:09 am

b9 wrote:
so you say (in my mind) that you would not trade the feotus's life for your own life.
neither would i (if i was a gestating mother).

but to terminate someone because they will simply "be a hassle" is an unforgivable action that i can never see past when i see the person who made the decision.


No, I did not say that. I did in fact mean that a "hassle", as you put it, is more than enough to ruin someone's life, or a couple's lives. Many people do not want children. And not having sex is not an option. Humanity is a very sexual species. If humans shall not have sex, then humans must not exist. But I guess with all the plastic chemicals that are spreading around, in the environment, slowly sterilizing humans and animals, we may well just see that.



b9
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,003
Location: australia

11 Sep 2011, 10:12 am

Beauty_pact wrote:
b9 wrote:
so you say (in my mind) that you would not trade the feotus's life for your own life.
neither would i (if i was a gestating mother).

but to terminate someone because they will simply "be a hassle" is an unforgivable action that i can never see past when i see the person who made the decision.


No, I did not say that. I did in fact mean that a "hassle", as you put it, is more than enough to ruin someone's life, or a couple's lives. Many people do not want children. And not having sex is not an option. Humanity is a very sexual species. If humans shall not have sex, then humans must not exist. But I guess with all the plastic chemicals that are spreading around, in the environment, slowly sterilizing humans and animals, we may well just see that.


yeah ok then.



Vexcalibur
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,398

11 Sep 2011, 10:16 am

b9 wrote:
i have no idea where the threshold of "humanity" lies in the development of a foetus,

I don't know either where is the exact point.

I can however, with full certainty say that it is not at conception. I will also say that it is not at 20-ish weeks when the brain is not even connected to the body.

So, for whatever purposes, the 10-ish threshold already in use by most "legal abortion" legislations is great.



Quote:
i think that if it can be said that a foetus is healthy, and can be brought safely to actual birth, then to terminate that process with a "decision" is a seriously defective action.

That would mean 6-ish month or 8 if no machines come into play.

Most women would rather abort early. So that is not an issue

So, legal abortion is fine that way.


_________________
.


b9
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 14 Aug 2008
Age: 54
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,003
Location: australia

11 Sep 2011, 10:26 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
b9 wrote:
i have no idea where the threshold of "humanity" lies in the development of a foetus,

I don't know either where is the exact point.

I can however, with full certainty say that it is not at conception.


how do you know that? i say that at the point of conception, there is a process set in place that will result in a human if nothing goes wrong.

the inevitability of human-ness is just the same as the actuality of human-ness.

if you can not see that, then either you or i am wrong. i will never believe i am wrong (a flaw of mine), so i will never agree with you.



Oodain
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,022
Location: in my own little tamarillo jungle,

11 Sep 2011, 11:54 am

people really need to examine the cause and effect of why we give humans and in modern days some animals very special consideration.

consciousness and the capability of suffering, it has nothing to do with DNA, not many humans are exactly alike at that level.
by that criteria we can actually be 100% sure that at conception it is not a person, a lump of human cells, yes, but not a person.


_________________
//through chaos comes complexity//

the scent of the tamarillo is pungent and powerfull,
woe be to the nose who nears it.


Inuyasha
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Jan 2009
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,745

12 Sep 2011, 6:49 pm

Beauty_pact wrote:
b9 wrote:
so you say (in my mind) that you would not trade the feotus's life for your own life.
neither would i (if i was a gestating mother).

but to terminate someone because they will simply "be a hassle" is an unforgivable action that i can never see past when i see the person who made the decision.


No, I did not say that. I did in fact mean that a "hassle", as you put it, is more than enough to ruin someone's life, or a couple's lives. Many people do not want children. And not having sex is not an option. Humanity is a very sexual species. If humans shall not have sex, then humans must not exist. But I guess with all the plastic chemicals that are spreading around, in the environment, slowly sterilizing humans and animals, we may well just see that.


In other words, you are proposing running around mating, and not being willing to live with the consequences of your actions.



JakobVirgil
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Feb 2011
Age: 52
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,744
Location: yes

12 Sep 2011, 7:03 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Beauty_pact wrote:
b9 wrote:
so you say (in my mind) that you would not trade the feotus's life for your own life.
neither would i (if i was a gestating mother).

but to terminate someone because they will simply "be a hassle" is an unforgivable action that i can never see past when i see the person who made the decision.


No, I did not say that. I did in fact mean that a "hassle", as you put it, is more than enough to ruin someone's life, or a couple's lives. Many people do not want children. And not having sex is not an option. Humanity is a very sexual species. If humans shall not have sex, then humans must not exist. But I guess with all the plastic chemicals that are spreading around, in the environment, slowly sterilizing humans and animals, we may well just see that.


In other words, you are proposing running around mating, and not being willing to live with the consequences of your actions.


one way of figuring out what people are saying is to listen to what they are saying
Just saying :lol:


_________________
?We must not look at goblin men,
We must not buy their fruits:
Who knows upon what soil they fed
Their hungry thirsty roots??

http://jakobvirgil.blogspot.com/


Joker
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 19 Mar 2011
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,593
Location: North Carolina The Tar Heel State :)

12 Sep 2011, 7:59 pm

Put yourself in the womens shoes what choice would you make if you where her?

I would keep the child by turning something awful into someting beautiful by having the child



LKL
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Age: 50
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,402

12 Sep 2011, 8:05 pm

Good for you. Next time you get pregnant by a rapist, you can do just that.

I, personally, would rather dig it out with a dull spoon as give birth to it; if I ever get pregnant by a rapist, I'm grateful that I will not have to resort to that tactic because I can flush it out with RU-486.