Do you believe in God?

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Folks might want to consult others outside WP or the internet.

I cannot say I do but I cannot prove that there is no god, the universe is so vast and full of mysteries one cannot be certain either side.

I mentioned before your use of statistics is wrong. If the so-called constants can be infinitely variable, you cannot calculate odds. Also, if I were to calculate the odds of one person being here with all their unique qualities, that is extremely unlikely. Being unlikely doesn't mean a god did it. And it's too soon to say exactly what the mathematical constants mean. So far we know they are necessary for calculations, that's it.

I love how you through around how certain things are facts when they are not. The universe looks as it should if it came from nothing for no reason.

I don't give a s**t if he loves me. And by the way it goes both ways, you might need to believe in a god to escape the emotional consequences of knowing you die. But I have no idea why you believe in god, I'm trying to find out. I wouldn't presume to know these things without you telling me. I just know that I find the concept silly, infantile, intellectually dishonest, and useless to explain anything. It just replaces the word "unknown" with the word god, and allows you to pretend you have answered something.

If you read carefully, I said that it goes both ways. My point is that it confuses me that some people would prefer it to be the case that God does not exist.

Also... I do feel as though I have some knowledge of God, if only indirectly. I do not believe in the god of the gaps.

I'm not sure what gap is other than a store.

Whether it is results of character good living or other things ..
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the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

Shalom

Furthermore, you are representing the very attitude that puzzles me. If there really does exist a maximally great being who designed the entirety of the universe including you and he loves you for the unique soul you are, you do not give a "s**t"?

Do any of you believe in good orderly direction in your lives.

That is do you plan, have goals or randomly go through life.

My programs are a mix of set written material and organized chaos, stream of consciousness of words and music.

I like the word jazz and apply it both on and off stage, while still believing on God.
What works for me, may not be your cup of tea or spice.
My dinner was heavy on the curry. My wife's face and words indicated it was not hers. (Cup of spice).
Love and prayers for those into that kind of thing.

Why, is that some kind of accomplishment? Should I be proud that he designed me to appreciate that he designed me?

No God is not codependent, though I believed that back in the 80's.

This post indicates you are utterly clueless about the point I am making. In case you have noticed, I only used the cosmological ratio, Roger Penrose's chance of low initial entropy, and the gravitational constant. Both of these values are circumscribed within a known numeral domain, or else they would not be odds, and consequently undefined! These are the fine tuned adjustments necessary for the universe to exist at all, let alone life forms! On the other hands, the mass of the electron, and the proton-neutron ratio (the fine tuning actually occurs with quark masses, and Higg's vacuum condensation of 246 GeV, along with other quark configurations, rather than the proton and neutron mass per se) are incomprehensibly fine tuned for bio chemistry. I did not include any of the atomic forces into the equations that have in fact an INFINITE amount of possibilities, so it is completely incorrect to include it in my calculation. The range of the electron, proton, and neutron mass can be any value as long as it is greater than zero. It is, however, incredibly fine-tuned for life. The statistic I calculated was merely to demonstrate that the string landscape conjecture, CANNOT account for fine tuning, and the denominator only consists of parameters necessary for existence of any celestial object in the universe. It is not meant to be a statistical enterprise of any sort - it functions merely to illustrate a point.

Bringing nothing into a state of something, is, by it's very definition, a supernatural act.

That is not the only thing wrong with that statement.

It is not incompatible with known scientific principles. The Casimir effect is another example of this.

The operative word being "incomprehensibly". God can't account for fine tuning, since you don't know what a God is.