09 Oct 2018, 9:42 pm
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
"Oh noes! I have to live in a country where people aren't allowed to say hateful offensive things to me or deny the genocide of the Jewish people! Ohhh the inhumanity!! !"
It just goes to show how distant Trumpsters are from reality for many minorities. The given description makes it sound like paradise.
Yeah how ironic. Basically these "rights" we have that are uniquely American just make me want to abandon my country even more.
Oh and LoveNotHate how can I trust that news source isn't FAKE? We can't trust the news in this country anymore.
Hell I barely trust the internet. Freedom of Speech basically means anybody can post a bunch of bull**** and lies and convince people that they are facts.
09 Oct 2018, 9:44 pm
09 Oct 2018, 9:47 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
America ranks ..
#1 in freedom of speech
#1 in freedom in media reporting
#1 in use of internet
according 2015 Pew Research ...
#1 in freedom of speech
#1 in freedom in media reporting
#1 in use of internet
according 2015 Pew Research ...
The numbers are close and not that impactful considering --
America consistently comes in 7th or 8th place yearly according to the U.S News & World Report - lagging behind (1) Switzerland, (2) Canada, (3) Germany, (4) U.K., (5) Japan, (6) Sweden, (7) Australia.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/23/us-news ... world.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 2d4c1d9f87
I'm anything but a nationalist, so I have absolutely no problem in saying from living here it's obvious why the United States doesn't even break the top five.
I love this speech:
09 Oct 2018, 9:50 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
Trump definitely wants to ban offensive speech.
Just laughing because Trump is the KING of offensive speech.
If anything he's giving extremists the ability to attack minorities verbally more while also seeking to reign in the ability of criticizing the government. There's a difference between the two. Trump isn't doing the first - he's accelerating offense, but he is aiming for the second.
09 Oct 2018, 9:51 pm
09 Oct 2018, 9:53 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
In the UK, there's actually "offensive speech" laws.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
I fail to see a negative here. Then, your last one isn't an America only or have you not heard about all the fights over Brexit? Hell, Conservatives were also whining about the Trump baby balloon - I know Trumpsters have heard about that.
The negative is that you lost freedom.
A government workers tells you how to think.
Trump definitely wants to ban offensive speech.
If you give him that power, then you will lose rights.
Don't go preaching about freedom because I have already lost mine.
Trump will be able to do whatever he feels like because too many people support his madness. And then when all the progress we have made is lost we will still have Americans living in denial about how we are the most free country in the world.
Yeah, it'll be free for rich white christain men just like it was up until the 1960's. Who cares if it isn't freedom for everyone?
09 Oct 2018, 10:06 pm
EzraS wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
In the UK, there's actually "offensive speech" laws.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
I fail to see a negative here. Then, your last one isn't an America only or have you not heard about all the fights over Brexit? Hell, Conservatives were also whining about the Trump baby balloon - I know Trumpsters have heard about that.
The negative is that you lost freedom.
A government workers tells you how to think.
Trump definitely wants to ban offensive speech.
If you give him that power, then you will lose freedoms.
How could trump want to ban offensive speech when a great deal of what he says and tweets is considered offensive by many?
From memory ... remember his first attack on Jeff Bezos ..
"Candidate Trump in February 2016 vowed to "open up our libel laws" to target "purposely negative and horrible and false articles" by outlets like the Post and The New York Times. The president again voiced support for the measure in January, saying, “we are going to take a strong look at our country’s libel law."
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/ ... lue-495803
2. He hates the kneeling football players. He considers it offensive speech.
3. Again, Trump again wants to "open up libel laws" because of a book about him.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 45741.html
4. He advocated the capability to "shut down the internet".
5. And famously ... he calls people who believe in free speech -- "FOOLS"
09 Oct 2018, 10:12 pm
09 Oct 2018, 10:17 pm
09 Oct 2018, 10:36 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
sly279 wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
sly279 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
TW1ZTY wrote:
this country does suck. If I could move somewhere else I would. I hate it here.
moi aussi. but like you i'm stuck here also, the inborn non-transferable talents one must have to succeed in amuuurica are precisely the talents required to be able to emigrate elsewhere.
Even if I could afford to move there’s no where Else to go this is the last grueling free nation on this planet, those who believe in the bill of rights have no where else to go.
I'm really going to hate myself for responding to you again but this ain't the only true "free country" in the world. Americans keep telling themselves that all the time because they refuse to acknowledge the real problems in their own country. There are plenty of other developed countries like Canada, Australia, and The UK that would give you pretty much the same freedoms and rights that we have.
Ok I'm done. Please don't go ape*** because I dared to disagree with you.
Name one other nation with the same or better gun rights? There’s non. Name other nations that have a law protecting freedom of speech?
Non of those nations you mentioned have freedom of speech or gun rights
Actually I can name two that allow the right to bare firearms: Mexico and Guatemala .
https://amp-businessinsider-com.cdn.amp ... 20%251%24s
And freedom of speech?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom ... by_country
Mexico has strict gun laws only the elite can own them. Guatemala Also has super restrictive gun laws.
As for that link bulshit
Otherwise the guy making his dog do hitler salute would been ok and people in German could talk about nazis and stuff
Europe doesn’t have freedom of speech they can’t say whatever they want.
They also don’t have a right to privacy.
09 Oct 2018, 10:39 pm
09 Oct 2018, 10:42 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
Well as I said before. Why should I personally give a flying **** about gun rights? I don't even like guns so I couldn't care less if I lived in a country that made them illegal for me to own.
As for Freedom of Speech? Most countries actually DO have freedom of speech. I don't know where Americans get the idea that they are the only ones who have that right.
As for Freedom of Speech? Most countries actually DO have freedom of speech. I don't know where Americans get the idea that they are the only ones who have that right.
Why should I I give a crap about gay rights, black rights, abortions, free college, etc
I dont know cause life is about caring about others then just yourself. This nation is for everyone so if you don’t care about owning a gun you should care about others having the right to if they want. You don’t have to be gay to care about gay rights same goes for all rights.
09 Oct 2018, 10:46 pm
09 Oct 2018, 10:52 pm
09 Oct 2018, 10:55 pm
09 Oct 2018, 11:42 pm
TW1ZTY wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Spooky_Mulder wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
In the UK, there's actually "offensive speech" laws.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
In America, we tolerate most hateful, offensive speech.
Also, unlike America, it seems like many countries ban "Holocaust denial" speech.
In America, we let people spew any crazy theories, like Alex Jones.
The biggest though, is that in America you criticize the government & politicians & religion.
I fail to see a negative here. Then, your last one isn't an America only or have you not heard about all the fights over Brexit? Hell, Conservatives were also whining about the Trump baby balloon - I know Trumpsters have heard about that.
The negative is that you lost freedom.
A government workers tells you how to think.
Trump definitely wants to ban offensive speech.
If you give him that power, then you will lose rights.
Don't go preaching about freedom because I have already lost mine.
Trump will be able to do whatever he feels like because too many people support his madness. And then when all the progress we have made is lost we will still have Americans living in denial about how we are the most free country in the world.
Yeah, it'll be free for rich white christain men just like it was up until the 1960's. Who cares if it isn't freedom for everyone?
0.o
So which is it are trump supports so many they can do whatever they want or are they just a tiny minority of racists ?
Cause you seem to go back and forth whenever it suits your current point.
