If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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18 Sep 2011, 1:28 pm

She has the vagina, she calls the shots.

Nuff said.


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18 Sep 2011, 2:51 pm

Gifted-Monster wrote:
She has the vagina, she calls the shots.

Nuff said.


So in other words in your mind children have no rights?

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@foxfield: conception is one point, recognizably human EEGs are another, and birth is yet another.


Movement and voluntary motor function indicates that there is a functional brain, despite what you may want to claim and your beloved Margaret Sykes, the facts are the facts.

http://www.themediareport.com/special/m ... -sykes.htm



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18 Sep 2011, 3:16 pm

Gifted-Monster wrote:
She has the vagina, she calls the shots.

Nuff said.


yes very "nuff".
i had better say no more because i am exceptionally likely to explode in an oppositional countermeasure, and i really should just ignore everything and drop into bed and forget and slip away.

so i will.



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18 Sep 2011, 4:21 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

So in other words in your mind children have no rights?


Not when said 'rights' are contingent on a woman's vah-jay-jay and body.
Nope, no free-standing rights at all beyond that which she grants.


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18 Sep 2011, 5:50 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Gifted-Monster wrote:
She has the vagina, she calls the shots.

Nuff said.


So in other words in your mind children have no rights?

LKL wrote:
@foxfield: conception is one point, recognizably human EEGs are another, and birth is yet another.


Movement and voluntary motor function indicates that there is a functional brain, despite what you may want to claim and your beloved Margaret Sykes, the facts are the facts.

http://www.themediareport.com/special/m ... -sykes.htm

Darling, I've posted at least a dozen sources in the past, only one of which (IIrc) was Margaret Sykes. In addition, the link above does not contradict my statement about recognizably human EEG waves; the pons, midbrain, and cerebellum regulate autonomic functions and coordination, not thought. I have literally seen someone's brain leaking out their ears who was still breathing and still had a hearbeat, because it was the cerebral cortex that had been destroyed rather than the more primitive areas of the brain.
You know what we call someone like that, in the hospital? A 'donor.'
Because there's no person there. It's a body that resembles (with some obvious physical deformations) a person that used to exist.



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18 Sep 2011, 5:58 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

So in other words in your mind children have no rights?


Not when said 'rights' are contingent on a woman's vah-jay-jay and body.
Nope, no free-standing rights at all beyond that which she grants.


Thank you for showing why I think many feminists are a bunch of hypocritical bigots.

The child has inalienable rights that the woman does not have the right to grant or take away. While the woman has rights, people need to understand that the child also has rights, and abortion is a violation of the child's human rights.

Rapists should be punished for their crimes, that is true. That does not mean an innocent child should be murdered, for goodness sakes.

I would argue part of the reason why society is becoming more and more dysfunctional is because of abortion, it is encouraging irresponsible behavior. You had sex and got pregnent, no big deal, you'll just have an abortion cause you don't consider the child to be conveinent.

Hate to break this to you ladies, but while you have rights to your body, your rights end where the child's rights begin. The child is in the womb through no fault of his/her own, pregnency is not a permanent condition, infanticide (or attempted infanticide) results in death or maiming of the child, therefore the child's right to live trumps your rights.

Oh and btw, I'm not being a hypocrit because I haven't ran around having sex, I'm still a virgin and I'm an adult, so I can legitimately bash people here about personal responsibility and not be a hypocrit. If you don't like that fact, tough.



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18 Sep 2011, 6:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

So in other words in your mind children have no rights?


Not when said 'rights' are contingent on a woman's vah-jay-jay and body.
Nope, no free-standing rights at all beyond that which she grants.


Thank you for showing why I think many feminists are a bunch of hypocritical bigots.

The child has inalienable rights that the woman does not have the right to grant or take away. While the woman has rights, people need to understand that the child also has rights, and abortion is a violation of the child's human rights.

Rapists should be punished for their crimes, that is true. That does not mean an innocent child should be murdered, for goodness sakes.

I would argue part of the reason why society is becoming more and more dysfunctional is because of abortion, it is encouraging irresponsible behavior. You had sex and got pregnent, no big deal, you'll just have an abortion cause you don't consider the child to be conveinent.

Hate to break this to you ladies, but while you have rights to your body, your rights end where the child's rights begin. The child is in the womb through no fault of his/her own, pregnency is not a permanent condition, infanticide (or attempted infanticide) results in death or maiming of the child, therefore the child's right to live trumps your rights.

Oh and btw, I'm not being a hypocrit because I haven't ran around having sex, I'm still a virgin and I'm an adult, so I can legitimately bash people here about personal responsibility and not be a hypocrit. If you don't like that fact, tough.

Once again, Inuyasha shows us the same series of logical errors that he has been displaying throughout the entire thread.
First, and most egregious, the equation of rape with consensual sex.
Secondly, the equation of a zef with a child.
Thirdly, the single-handed granting of said zef with rights not actually extant according to US law.
Fourthly, claiming that 'the woman's rights end where the zef's begin,' without acknowldging the reciprocal.
Fifthly, claiming, despite vast quantities of evidence, that 'pregnancy is not a permanent condition,' and assuming that a woman can go on with her life with no lasting effects once the pregnancy is over.
Finally, the concluding statement, "If you don't like it, tough," assumes a greater degree of control over the world and over this discussion than any single, rational person has a right to assume.
:D
Ad nauseum, indeed.



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18 Sep 2011, 6:31 pm

LKL wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

So in other words in your mind children have no rights?


Not when said 'rights' are contingent on a woman's vah-jay-jay and body.
Nope, no free-standing rights at all beyond that which she grants.


Thank you for showing why I think many feminists are a bunch of hypocritical bigots.

The child has inalienable rights that the woman does not have the right to grant or take away. While the woman has rights, people need to understand that the child also has rights, and abortion is a violation of the child's human rights.

Rapists should be punished for their crimes, that is true. That does not mean an innocent child should be murdered, for goodness sakes.

I would argue part of the reason why society is becoming more and more dysfunctional is because of abortion, it is encouraging irresponsible behavior. You had sex and got pregnent, no big deal, you'll just have an abortion cause you don't consider the child to be conveinent.

Hate to break this to you ladies, but while you have rights to your body, your rights end where the child's rights begin. The child is in the womb through no fault of his/her own, pregnency is not a permanent condition, infanticide (or attempted infanticide) results in death or maiming of the child, therefore the child's right to live trumps your rights.

Oh and btw, I'm not being a hypocrit because I haven't ran around having sex, I'm still a virgin and I'm an adult, so I can legitimately bash people here about personal responsibility and not be a hypocrit. If you don't like that fact, tough.

Once again, Inuyasha shows us the same series of logical errors that he has been displaying throughout the entire thread.
First, and most egregious, the equation of rape with consensual sex.
Secondly, the equation of a zef with a child.
Thirdly, the single-handed granting of said zef with rights not actually extant according to US law.
Fourthly, claiming that 'the woman's rights end where the zef's begin,' without acknowldging the reciprocal.
Fifthly, claiming, despite vast quantities of evidence, that 'pregnancy is not a permanent condition,' and assuming that a woman can go on with her life with no lasting effects once the pregnancy is over.
Finally, the concluding statement, "If you don't like it, tough," assumes a greater degree of control over the world and over this discussion than any single, rational person has a right to assume.
:D
Ad nauseum, indeed.


I wasn't aware that the child was the rapist.... Probably, because he/she is not the rapist.

You're against executing people that commit murder, yet you're okay with murdering innocent children...



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18 Sep 2011, 6:36 pm

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I wasn't aware that the child was the rapist....


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18 Sep 2011, 6:40 pm

Wow 61 pages of the same old crap that never goes anywhere? :wall: Looks like every abortion thread just boils down to arguing semantics.

IT'S A CHILD!! !
IS NOT!! !!
IS TOO!! !!
IS NOT!! !! !
IS TOO!! !!

We can argue all day about whether or not it is a child or we can take a good look at ourselves and see how childish it is to go back and forth like this :lol:



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18 Sep 2011, 7:16 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
LKL wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

So in other words in your mind children have no rights?


Not when said 'rights' are contingent on a woman's vah-jay-jay and body.
Nope, no free-standing rights at all beyond that which she grants.


Thank you for showing why I think many feminists are a bunch of hypocritical bigots.

The child has inalienable rights that the woman does not have the right to grant or take away. While the woman has rights, people need to understand that the child also has rights, and abortion is a violation of the child's human rights.

Rapists should be punished for their crimes, that is true. That does not mean an innocent child should be murdered, for goodness sakes.

I would argue part of the reason why society is becoming more and more dysfunctional is because of abortion, it is encouraging irresponsible behavior. You had sex and got pregnent, no big deal, you'll just have an abortion cause you don't consider the child to be conveinent.

Hate to break this to you ladies, but while you have rights to your body, your rights end where the child's rights begin. The child is in the womb through no fault of his/her own, pregnency is not a permanent condition, infanticide (or attempted infanticide) results in death or maiming of the child, therefore the child's right to live trumps your rights.

Oh and btw, I'm not being a hypocrit because I haven't ran around having sex, I'm still a virgin and I'm an adult, so I can legitimately bash people here about personal responsibility and not be a hypocrit. If you don't like that fact, tough.

Once again, Inuyasha shows us the same series of logical errors that he has been displaying throughout the entire thread.
First, and most egregious, the equation of rape with consensual sex.
Secondly, the equation of a zef with a child.
Thirdly, the single-handed granting of said zef with rights not actually extant according to US law.
Fourthly, claiming that 'the woman's rights end where the zef's begin,' without acknowldging the reciprocal.
Fifthly, claiming, despite vast quantities of evidence, that 'pregnancy is not a permanent condition,' and assuming that a woman can go on with her life with no lasting effects once the pregnancy is over.
Finally, the concluding statement, "If you don't like it, tough," assumes a greater degree of control over the world and over this discussion than any single, rational person has a right to assume.
:D
Ad nauseum, indeed.


I wasn't aware that the child was the rapist.... Probably, because he/she is not the rapist.

You're against executing people that commit murder, yet you're okay with murdering innocent children...

Your reading comprehension sucks, 'Yasha. Try reading and responding to what I actually said, rather than what you wanted me to say.



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18 Sep 2011, 7:40 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Thank you for showing why I think many feminists are a bunch of hypocritical bigots.



:roll:

This coming from a confirmed woman-hater who wants raped women to die in the street.



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18 Sep 2011, 8:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Hate to break this to you ladies, but while you have rights to your body, your rights end where the child's rights begin. The child is in the womb through no fault of his/her own, pregnency is not a permanent condition, infanticide (or attempted infanticide) results in death or maiming of the child, therefore the child's right to live trumps your rights.
Your reasoning is so skewed it would be comical if there were not so many people who thought like you.

Do you understand why saying that a wretched life full of suffering, not just for your unborn human but for all the others who would have to take care of them, that could be prevented should not because quality of life is not as important as quantity, which is basically what you are saying, makes it so that people would unnecessarily waste their time on caring for a human that is basically does nothing for society for the next decade at least over a fully competent and easily productive female makes no sense? Do you know that I also have no problem with executions of humans who are beyond reasonable doubt to be costly to society, such as vegetables and the severely mentally disabled, as well as criminals when it is not cost effective to rehabilitate them? Do you realize that the Earth has a huge population boom that cannot be supported the way your beloved Republicans want us to live?



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18 Sep 2011, 8:53 pm

Republicans claim to be pro-life but have championed the policy that if a woman becomes pregnant while on welfare that she is not to receive a dime of additional cash aid welfare assistance even though she desperately needs money for diapers and clothes for her newborn baby.



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18 Sep 2011, 9:22 pm

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Republicans claim to be pro-life but have championed the policy that if a woman becomes pregnant while on welfare that she is not to receive a dime of additional cash aid welfare assistance even though she desperately needs money for diapers and clothes for her newborn baby.


Arbeit Macht Frei.



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18 Sep 2011, 9:59 pm

pandabear wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Republicans claim to be pro-life but have championed the policy that if a woman becomes pregnant while on welfare that she is not to receive a dime of additional cash aid welfare assistance even though she desperately needs money for diapers and clothes for her newborn baby.


Arbeit Macht Frei.

Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

Godwin. We lose the thread. :wink: