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10 Aug 2016, 8:06 am

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Is Clinton really an advocate for women?

Child rape victim won't forgive Hillary Clinton for defending rapist.

Defending alleged criminals is what lawyers do, especially public defenders. It's a public service for which they should receive praise. Without such defense we would not have the rule of law.


"The presidential candidate later laughed while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotaped interview from the 1980s"

This is what is troubling - very unethical.


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10 Aug 2016, 8:25 am

Also if you think she's such a great lawyer, she totally broke attorney-client privilege by essentially admitting to the guilt of her client. Hillary has never had any ethics, it's all about advancing herself at any cost.



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10 Aug 2016, 8:27 am

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Is that hinting really? The media will twist anything Trump says and you folks eat it up.

Is Hillary planning on getting rid of the 2nd amendment?

You forget one minor detail. Actually, many Repubs forget this minor detail. We have video tape. We can watch it in detail and in context. He said it and you can watch it...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:30 am

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"The presidential candidate later laughed while discussing aspects of the case in a recently-unearthed audiotaped interview from the 1980s"

This is what is troubling - very unethical.

She laughed? Lawyers have a gallows humor.



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10 Aug 2016, 8:35 am

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Tyrannical government is exactly what you'd get with him, so it'd be ironically interesting if all the gun-toting rednecks suddenly formed an uprising against him... not that that precludes his convincing everyone to commit suicide, since it's what Jim Jones did at least.


Pardon me, but where are you from again dude? I'd be worried about the state of your own country if I were you before I'd go meddling into another country's affairs.

trump would be the leader of the free world. EVERYONE has a right to be concerned.


The only ones with the control on who will be President of America are Americans. Everyone else is just butting in where they don't belong, in my opinion.

Kind of like how Trump calls on Russia to hack our election and interfere with our politics. Hmmm...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:36 am

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Is that hinting really? The media will twist anything Trump says and you folks eat it up.

Is Hillary planning on getting rid of the 2nd amendment?

You forget one minor detail. Actually, many Repubs forget this minor detail. We have video tape. We can watch it in detail and in context. He said it and you can watch it...


Yeah there is video, it still doesn't mean what you are twisting it into. I like how you folks so stick to the talking points, they haven't been been updated with the fact that Hillary was guilty of raising the specter of assassination in 2008 with no imagined allusions but you guys just ignore it to continue with your feigned outrage. Joe Biden's reference was essentially the same except he was referencing himself instead of '2nd amendment people'.

You guys couldn't be more dishonest



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10 Aug 2016, 8:42 am

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this says it better than i can: During the Republican convention, with its repeated chants about Clinton of “lock her up,” a U.S.-based columnist for Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Chemi Shalev, wrote: “Like the extreme right in Israel, many Republicans conveniently ignore the fact that words can kill. There are enough people with a tendency for violence that cannot distinguish between political stagecraft and practical exhortations to rescue the country by any available means. If anyone has doubts, they could use a short session with Yigal Amir, Yitzhak Rabin’s assassin, who was inspired by the rabid rhetoric hurled at the Israeli prime minister in the wake of the Oslo accords.”
People are playing with fire here, and there is no bigger flamethrower than Donald Trump. Forget politics; he is a disgusting human being. His children should be ashamed of him. I only pray that he is not simply defeated, but that he loses all 50 states so that the message goes out across the land — unambiguously, loud and clear: The likes of you should never come this way again.

Nicely done and well said...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:44 am

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this says it better than i can: During the Republican convention, with its repeated chants about Clinton of “lock her up,” a U.S.-based columnist for Israel’s Haaretz newspaper, Chemi Shalev, wrote: “Like the extreme right in Israel, many Republicans conveniently ignore the fact that words can kill. There are enough people with a tendency for violence that cannot distinguish between political stagecraft and practical exhortations to rescue the country by any available means. If anyone has doubts, they could use a short session with Yigal Amir, Yitzhak Rabin’s assassin, who was inspired by the rabid rhetoric hurled at the Israeli prime minister in the wake of the Oslo accords.”
People are playing with fire here, and there is no bigger flamethrower than Donald Trump. Forget politics; he is a disgusting human being. His children should be ashamed of him. I only pray that he is not simply defeated, but that he loses all 50 states so that the message goes out across the land — unambiguously, loud and clear: The likes of you should never come this way again.


And? I guess you are just shoving under the rug everything that Clinton is being accused of? Clean up your own side first before you start finding fault with the other side. So far, everything brought up about Trump couldn't hold a candle to what Clinton is being accused of. Why don't you head on over to the News Forum because I have a whole mess of crap Hillary has been accused of doing - that is unless you don't really want to know the truth about your own candidate and just keep your head buried in the sand.

So, if I accuse you of being a witch and engaging in witchcraft a million times, does that make you a witch practicing your evil craft...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:46 am

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Love the smell of ad hominem in the morning, pretty much his only legacy.

Jacoby, this piece of historical writing could illustrate the psychology:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller


Don't start sending me PM's. You have something to say to me, then you say it right out in the open where everyone can see it. I have nothing to hide and you shouldn't either.

If someone PM's you to save you the embarrassment of being truthfully called out, it isn't necessarily a bad thing to do...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:49 am

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i called you no names. i called your position chauvinistic. there's a big difference. also, try to address people's arguments rather than attacking them. attacking them is a logical error called an ad hominem.


I'm not attacking anyone. So stop trying to turn this around on me.


But, it's so fun and easy with all the low hanging fruit that you regurgitate...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:53 am

AspE wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Is Clinton really an advocate for women?

Child rape victim won't forgive Hillary Clinton for defending rapist.

Defending alleged criminals is what lawyers do, especially public defenders. It's a public service for which they should receive praise. Without such defense we would not have the rule of law.

To add to that, if you are appointed by a judge to do so, you have almost no right to simply decline. You also have a sworn duty as a lawyer to provide a zealous defense of the accused, rapist or otherwise. That's simply part of being a lawyer...



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10 Aug 2016, 8:56 am

pcuser wrote:
AspE wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Is Clinton really an advocate for women?

Child rape victim won't forgive Hillary Clinton for defending rapist.

Defending alleged criminals is what lawyers do, especially public defenders. It's a public service for which they should receive praise. Without such defense we would not have the rule of law.

To add to that, if you are appointed by a judge to do so, you have almost no right to simply decline. You also have a sworn duty as a lawyer to provide a zealous defense of the accused, rapist or otherwise. That's simply part of being a lawyer...


she took the case as a favor, she broke attorney-client privilege

all on top of the fact she laughed off the fact that she got a child rapist off

just an evil person all around

really don't need any more lawyers in the White House



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10 Aug 2016, 8:56 am

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Is that hinting really? The media will twist anything Trump says and you folks eat it up.

Is Hillary planning on getting rid of the 2nd amendment?

You forget one minor detail. Actually, many Repubs forget this minor detail. We have video tape. We can watch it in detail and in context. He said it and you can watch it...


Yeah there is video, it still doesn't mean what you are twisting it into. I like how you folks so stick to the talking points, they haven't been been updated with the fact that Hillary was guilty of raising the specter of assassination in 2008 with no imagined allusions but you guys just ignore it to continue with your feigned outrage. Joe Biden's reference was essentially the same except he was referencing himself instead of '2nd amendment people'.

You guys couldn't be more dishonest

This doesn't fall into talking points. No one on the Democratic side expected this clown to say many of the things he has said. You are seeing anger at his histrionics and dangerous innuendos. I could go on, but I suspect you're smart enough to understand my meaning...



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10 Aug 2016, 9:07 am

Jacoby wrote:
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she took the case as a favor, she broke attorney-client privilege

all on top of the fact she laughed off the fact that she got a child rapist off

just an evil person all around

really don't need any more lawyers in the White House

Yeah, but, Trump.



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10 Aug 2016, 9:17 am

pcuser wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
Is that hinting really? The media will twist anything Trump says and you folks eat it up.

Is Hillary planning on getting rid of the 2nd amendment?

You forget one minor detail. Actually, many Repubs forget this minor detail. We have video tape. We can watch it in detail and in context. He said it and you can watch it...


Yeah there is video, it still doesn't mean what you are twisting it into. I like how you folks so stick to the talking points, they haven't been been updated with the fact that Hillary was guilty of raising the specter of assassination in 2008 with no imagined allusions but you guys just ignore it to continue with your feigned outrage. Joe Biden's reference was essentially the same except he was referencing himself instead of '2nd amendment people'.

You guys couldn't be more dishonest

This doesn't fall into talking points. No one on the Democratic side expected this clown to say many of the things he has said. You are seeing anger at his histrionics and dangerous innuendos. I could go on, but I suspect you're smart enough to understand my meaning...


Absolutely it is a talking point, why won't you address Hillary's much more egregious comments from 2008? The feigned outrage over a totally manufactured controversy is pretty sad, can you guys not think of any reason to support Hillary on her own without making things up? I think that much is clear really, weren't many people here that had kind words to say about Hillary(nobody had much of a problem with what I said about her in the Democratic primary) until it was obvious Bernie wasn't going to get the nomination and the real kicker is that the whole process was rigged against Bernie to begin with. How much cable news do you watch? Is it your primary news source? Trump derangement syndrome at it's peak.



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10 Aug 2016, 9:31 am

You reckon the RNC is absolutely spotless? No attempt at manipulation? Ultimately, it is an organizational fault... happened in the NEC in the UK recently where eligibility for voting was altered... it is politics which should be made more fair.