If a girl is raped and pregnant, should she keep the baby?

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In case you haven't noticed, it's already happen or haven't you noticed the decline in people with Down Syndrome.



So you're saying women have the right to commit murder out of conveinence.



I will thank you.



You are implying a difference that doesn't exist.



You are using faulty logic because the woman isn't donating any organs to the child. Furthermore, you can't hook up an adult human to another adult human like that for multiple reasons including the fact that it is unsanitary and exposing both to a number of viruses and bacteria.



Since I was once a "fetus" as you call it, I think I have a say in this on the behalf of the human child that can't speak up for themselves. Cause I wouldn't want to have not been able to see the outside world, to live. I would suspect the child inside the womb would feel the same way.

Also for your claims that the kid isn't a human being, they said the same thing about African Americans, and yeah I can make that comparison because you're equating the child to being nothing more than property.

As a public service to those joining late in the debate, here is the debate so far:

One-side: Is not!
Other-side: Is too!!
One-side: Is not!! !
Other-side: Is too!! !!
Rational participant: Yeah, but--
One-side: Is not!! !! !
Other-side: Is too!! !! !!

Repeat for 62 pages.

You are now up to speed.

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Last edited by b9 on 20 Sep 2011, 2:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yeah, that's how it usually goes.

Jesse Jackson coined the term economic violence to illustrate the fact that if you fire a worker and refuse to pay her unemployment benefits you have done just as much economic damage as if you had physically beat the worker.

Republicans champion free market ideologies which gives employers the right to fire a pregnant worker at will or for any reason and Republicans want to deny pregnant women paid maternity leave but hypocritically call themselves Pro-Life.

The right to life ends at birth

Sadly, this will go over the heads of those it's aimed at, I'm sure.

are you in favor of being forced to pay for what you do not receive?

ruveyn

here now everyone can become OK...

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Actually, firing/laying off someone cause they are about to have a kid is a form of discrimination, the exception to this is if the job would be hazardous to for the child (due to chemicals, etc.).

From an academic standpoint, women can actually do a lot of work at home now (wonderful tool known as the internet), and I remember teachers having to go on maturnity leave before at public schools that I went to. The teacher had their job waiting for them when they came back and weren't punished for it.

Just cause there are a few unethical scumbags out their doesn't mean that every workplace would be like that.

According to the Libertarian Party employers should be allowed to discriminate for any reason and the only remedy is the invisible hand of the free market.

I'm not a Libertarian though, I'm a Republican.

Oooh the slope , it is so slippery. I am scared!

It is a slippery slope, because making abortion legal or not is not going to help or not your cause to save down syndrome genes. Since there are very good reasons to abort, making it illegal just because non-legitimate reasons exist is as dumb as increasing gun control to prevent shootings.

You can make guns legal and murder illegal. You can make abortion legal and eugenics illegal. Your argument is an attempt to make us scared of abortion for reasons related to a whole different problem. Why is it? Is it because you have run out of things to use to attempt to justify your anti-abortion stance? That are now resorting to cheap shots?


No, because it is not murder and we've been through this a thousand of times. But regardless of your insistence on using emotionally-charged language inappropriately, it does not become your way.

It is not murder, because, as we have already stated and confirmed, 10 weeks old fetuses are really not people. The equivalence between children and fetus has been debunked a zillion of times already.

And even though it is not really about mere "convenience", the government should not force people (Even if they were women) to use their bodies in a way they find inconvenient.

And it is not just about inconvenience. Risk of death is not just inconvenience. Disability to do your job for months (and a good chance to lose it) is not just an inconvenience and I am repeating exactly what I said in the previous post.


You cannot really be this deluded or crazy. Open any dictionary , ask any (actual non-Fox News) doctor. A fetus is not a child. You can argue that they should have equivalent rigths. But they are not the same thing. And you would be horrendously wrong to claim otherwise. And they do not have the same rights. Specially in the case of 10 weeks fetuses. Lack of a working brain or actual ability to suffer, for example.




You are right, she is donating her whole body.



Yeah well, don't worry, the legalization of abortion is not retroactive. So making it stay legal is not going to make your mom abort you.


Yawn, really. Could you try getting a more interesting cheap shot?

Is the existence of black people exploiting the body of another person? No. Are their brains disconnected from their sensory organs in a way that we could consider them acephalous? No. Are they part of another person's body? No.

Your comparison is a horrible attempt to dehumanize Black people by equating them to non-human levels. I am not surprised after seeing your posts regarding race and your Obama-phobia of a couple of years ago. But it still disappoints me.

Are you saying that people with Down Syndrome are somehow subhuman?






Actually it boils down whether or not the child is a person, and I'm going to stand firm for the child's right to live, because the child is a human being, and the woman is having someone willfully terminate the life of the child, that by definition is murder.



child
... 2. An unborn infant; fetus. ...

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, editted by William Morris
Published by: American Heritage Publishing co., inc. and Houghton Mifflan Company c. 1970

You were saying...

Anyways somewhere between 1970 and now a bunch of politically correct lunatics and pro-abortion people decided to claim the a fetus was not a child.



Uh last I checked the child wasn't operating the woman's movements from a control center in the womb.



It gives me a right to speak on this issue and my opinion has just as much validity as a woman's does, despite your attempt at claiming that men have no rights when it comes to the life of their child.



Not taking cheap shots, I'm stating a fact.





I'm comparing your attempts to dehumanize children to the attempts to dehumanize black people, which is the truth, I really don't care if you don't like the fact I'm pointing this out.

They are mentally ret*d. Which does not make them less human.

ruveyn

I want to here what Vexcalibur meant, cause the quote was in response to something he posted.