Is there any proof God exists?

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Ah, but religion is not science. I don't know who is claiming that, but I'm not making that claim. Religion is concerned with man's relationship with a deity. Science is concerned with the natural world. They are both successful at what they do. And while they tend to overlap in some ways, they are not the same thing and do not serve the same purpose.


Sure, you eventually answered my questions, but you expended a lot of effort trying not to.

I'm confused about a couple of things:

Do you require evidence for the efficacy of the scientific method? That makes sense if you do. We wouldn't waste our time with something that doesn't consistently get reliable results. But the efficacy of the method is not what is being challenged. It's falsifiability that is being challenged.


But the specific reason (the part I snipped) is irrelevant. Do you recognize that this makes the tool dependent upon circular reasoning? You are comfortable with it being irrational?

@Dent: I've had a good deal of free time and am plodding through the final stages of editing some music I've been working on for the past couple of months. I had a manic burst of creativity that reached burn-out last week. This has been a lot of fun in the meantime. But I desperately need to wrap things up. Not only that, but my two oldest children are playing in a keyboard festival in Memphis this Saturday. I'm having to withdraw from the discussion, once again, out of necessity and certainly not for lack of will or desire.

That said, I'm sure we'll come back around to this either in this thread or another one eventually, as we always do. I hope your week is off to a great start.

I'll rephrase.

Prayer on it's own is of no value. Prayer in combination with a clinically effective treatment enhances recovery/healing. It's a placebo effect.

then where is the evidence for this.

Nope, I Never said that Nature has sentience. Quote it if it exists, otherwise you are 'dreaming Pink Unicorns again'.

Note:
Quotes indicate metaphor.

A God that doesn't have to make sense is no little silly metaphor of a sentient human being that whether you believe in that fairy tale or not, you are falsely propagating it by falsely suggesting I believe something that does not exist in the record here, friend.

Not only are you increasingly amusing to me, the 'Pink Unicorn' Irony is delicious with you friend, as reality is 'Quantum' in both effect and affect, and you my friend do NOT see nearly as much of THAT as I do, clearly from what you express here in your WORDS and NOT MINE.

Your method of discourse is also ironically like Oldavid's, as well, as no matter how many times I correct you on your false assertion about the anthropormorphic sentient thingy that is still on record here, where I have made this clear before with you, you continue to 'parrot' it.

I can prove 'my God' exists.
Let's see if you can prove your 'Pink Unicorn Exists'.

And to be clear again, the 'Pink Unicorn' in this case is your false claim that I believe that nature is an anthropormorphic sentient being that again is still clear in the record where I have clarified with you I do not believe Nature is limited by the silly little abstract construct of human sentience.

Human Sentience and all human sentient abstract constructed Science scribes about God through the limited eyes of humans AND SciEnce is yet a 'fleck of dust' in the 'eyes' of THE GOD THAT IS 'NATURE'.

Yes! Yes! Yes!..

I use 'Nature', as a metaphor for GOD here for Language that smaller minds can understand.

With my Muslim girl FRIENDS, I use ALLAH.

And with my Christian friends I use metaphors that speak their language of God, as well.

Your 'Nihilistic language', is the 'saddest' language I see, and part of why I spend so much time here, as a 'Super Soldier voluntarily employed by the ONE TRUE GOD OF LIGHT AND TRUTH'.

Gosh.

DUH, DUH, DUH!..

EVEN Madonna knows GOD is 'Illuminati'.

And you my friend, will never know how deep Madonna's mind is, by words alone.

She goes her own JOURNEY and PATH, of 'TRUTH AND LIGHT', and so do I.



My God is not the ideas of others, alone, EVER, NEVER, EVER.

ALL HUMANS see 'light' differently.

And that 'my friend' makes for 'Infinite languages' FOR 'GOD'.

GOD is no simply thing,

NEVER, EVER, NEVER.

IN FACT, GOD IS NO THING AND EVERY THING.

And that ain't simple friend or FOR SIMPLE MINDS, LIKE HUMANS.

Am i human.....
(:Human i am....
Am i human.....

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If a person's "faith" makes him/her feel better, then I'm all for it.

I find that when something makes a person more optimistic--even if it's something like faith in a "God"--it creates a tendency toward the alleviation of any physical/emotional disorder.

I have just spent an hour or two repudiating this mushy, sentimental pigs swill and it is vanished into the aether.

Makes me even less inclined to treat charlatans as mere fools.

Well...I'm a sentimentalist--and quite proud of it!

Your Pig Swill might be my Filet Mignon.

True, THE HUMAN EMOTION OF FAITH HEALS HUMAN BEINGS, and any human with MORE FULLY EMPLOYED, DEVELOPED, AND EXPERIENCED affective AND COGNITIVE empathy, who has spent anytime in a church, can see that as clear as life, itself.

Human beings, most of them anyway, are emotional creatures who heal themselves with emotions, INCLUDING THE EMOTIONS OF HUMAN RELATIVE Free will, faith, hope, and belief.

YES, TRULY ANYTHING, internally human THAT EMOTES HUMAN BEINGS TO ACTION IS EMOTION, INCLUDING HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL.

TO NOT ACT IS TO NOT 'Just DO IT', as my friends at Nike say, and that generally speaking results in HUMAN STAGNATION.

Those folks who do not 'water the river of empathy', AND HUMAN EMOTIONS, AT 'times', 'simply' 'dry up', and sometimes 'blow away'.....OR 'DIE alive', to use another phrase of metaphor.

And truly that is often the saddest thing, 'this recently recovered empath', FEELS IN LIFE, and sees with eyes of HEART, SOUL, AND SPIRIT THAT ARE REAL PROPERTIES OF LIFE that not ALL HUMANS experience equally, in a life experience that CAN BE literal human heaven or HELL ON the same TERRESTRIAL HOME that is Earth.

I CAN count the pro-social metaphors of the most militant of atheist leaning folks, and make a science project out of this, as I often do here, with close to a photographic memory for text.

In other, words, per science, I can see the 'part' of 'GOD' that is relative free will, faith, hope, and belief in the text of human beings.

I mean duh, how hard is it to analyze and count human pro-social emotion in objective words; nah, not hard for me, at least.

And no matter what labels you use in life, kraftiekortie, for what you personally believe, your metaphors are as so-called 'real Christian', as they get around here, expressed IN TEXT.

Many people who do not label themselves as Christians,
are truly what the so-called Gnostic Jesus describes as Christian,
in other original words, of course.

It's simply the GOLDEN RULE, EXPRESSED FOR OTHER HUMAN BEINGS.

SOME FOLKS 'HAVE COURAGE AND ARE KIND',

to quote AND PARAPHRASE

Cinderella and 'Minderella'.

Some folks have courage.

Some folks are kind.

And some folks

'EMPLOYEE, DEVELOP, AND PRACTICE'
neither metaphor of human
emotional and empathic life

TO A SUBSTANTIAL EXTENT.

And that IS

JUST SO

SAD,

IN JUST my
opinion,

of
course.

There are 'just' too many

'Evil Step-mothers/fathers/whatever' around here;

at least that IS what 'my MINDERELLA

science project/
experiment' 'suggests'..

LOGIC DICTATES that you copy your posts here before you post them, as the
software is still buggy here, to say the least.

In only takes a second to highlight your words and click the copy button.

Lesson learned, perhaps...

as a safe guard for

so called 'intellect' expressed..

I'm sure it is. Some people seem to have an (almost) inexplicable and insatiable appetite for BS.

lol

I'm still going to pop in from time to time just to lurk, but I just can't keep up my end of the discussion until I get some meatspace issues out of the way. So, for starters, I'm going to wish you luck.

Some pro tips: WP is often buggy. Never compose your replies in a web browser. Use a text editor or word processor. Save work often. That's the safest way to work in PPR.

The next best thing is what I normally do. Copy your in-browser reply before submitting. That way, when the internet eats your treatise or tl;dr diatribe, just paste it right back into the reply window.

At one time I did spend hours on replies. It's mentally and emotionally draining, not to mention a waste of time better spent being productive. I may still spend an hour or two on a reply occasionally, but if it really means that much to me, I break it up over the course of the day. Otherwise, I try to limit myself to roughly 15 minutes at most.

Finally, here's the advice I myself find difficult to follow consistently: Keep replies to simple one-liners. There's nothing more frustrating than having your doctoral dissertation thesis completely destroyed by a single short sentence. With practice, it gets easy to do, and I'm a long way from mastering that one. It keeps discussions lively and flowing. If you succeed in unlocking all the mysteries of the universe in one long diatribe, you leave nothing for anyone else to contribute. You might as well just be arguing with yourself for all the good it does.

Hmmm. Thanks.
That's one of the few of your posts that I've read. Only two words shouted in 6 lines.

I guess it depends on the BS.

You should know this:

Sometimes, BS could be the thing that saves your crop for the year.

You are the proof.

MY EDITING TIME ran out, but here is the FULL VERSION here.

'LOGIC DICTATES' that 'you' copy 'your' posts here before you post them, as the
software platform for this so-called new and improved software is still buggy here,
to say the least.

In only takes a second to highlight 'your; words and click the copy button.

Lesson learned, perhaps...

as a safe guard for

so called 'intellect' expressed..

Truly I am far too amused by your comments, to let them go into the ether

of nothingness.....

Truly anything that amuses me,

'light or 'dark' is something I enjoy.

So I offer free advice

free of charge.....

You're welcome..too..

WITH SMILES OF COURSE..

:):)

;P

AND HERE'S one of the oldest versions (bottom photo) of the RAZZ icon FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT
'GOD' IS NEITHER 'REASONABLE' OR NECESSARILY 'FAIR', OR A 'FRIGGING WIMP', like the 'Neutered' 'FALSE ARTISTIC PAINTING version' of SO-CALLED 'TEMPLE MONEY CHANGING, TABLE TURNING Jesus'.

HAVE a nice heaven in NOW; at least that's what the 'REAL JESUS' WOULD tell ya..

And truly if Jesus really lived he's probably a lot more like 'Kali' (IN THE PHOTO BELOW), than an artistic EXPRESSION AND 'representation of a pretty effete man' with a 'pasted on beard', and no frigging body hair, BY LIKELY homosexual leaning artists at 'that time', AND the LIKELY homosexual leaning Catholic 'SINGLE' MALE leaders who approved of the art with a grinning smile.

And honestly, I ain't got no empirical evidence OF THAT but that's just frigging common sense, as people approve of what they like.

Kali is more of a so-called patriarchal Jewish man than the effete artistic expression of Jesus, who wouldn't have lasted one second in a temple full of patriarchal money changing JEWISH dudes.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or artist to figure that one out; unless someone is 'looking for love'......

AND 'DON'T GET ME WRONG'..

EVEN IF THE REAL JESUS IS A HOMOSEXUAL, OR NOT, I AIN'T DOING ANY HATING ON diverse SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS HERE, by 'simply systemizing the nature' of the folks at THAT time, with 'armchair science', NOW.



"It is often the 'Judas' WHO bleeds the most"



quote by

'Minderella'.

Yes, 'just call me' 'Minderella'; I like the 'ring' of it, in 'SACRED vowels' and 'reason'.

Crap, I can't change my user name from aghogday to 'MINdErElLa';

THAT s***S; change is KOOL.

AND speaking of change..

This is a better anthropomorphic expression of how GOD is expressed in human
than effete representations of a 'lady with a beard'..

It's not the beard that makes a man a man or a lady a FULLY 'COURAGEOUS' and 'kind' human being.

AT LEAST KALI IS ALL ABOUT CELEBRATING COURAGE AND VICTORY OVER DEATH IN LIFE; YES, COOL, 'ShE' EVEN DOES
A VICTORY DANCE over DEATH.

AND SO IS THE REAL GNOSTIC SO-CALLED JESUS, AS WELL.

HE IS NO WIMP OR LADY MAN, at least not, per what is expressed IN THE 'SACRED TEXT', IN THE Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, as linked below.

'He' IS much more like the myth of MAN LADY KALI EXPRESSED, BELOW THAT in hell of heaven; take 'yOur' pick;

It's ALL PART OF THE WHOLE THAT'S GOD PER ALL THE DARK AND LIGHT OF EXISTENCE, AS, IS, NOW.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm