Are many autistics racist?

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I am very concerned about the preservation of white heritage/race	8%	[ 16 ]
I believe the above concern is unfounded and racist	54%	[ 104 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but SOME people take it too far	13%	[ 25 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but MANY people take it too far	8%	[ 15 ]
show me the money (view results)	17%	[ 32 ]

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04 Aug 2012, 2:34 pm

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I am half Japanese and at my old office I had a photo of my partner, who is 100% Japanese, on my desk. One of my female coworkers came over and asked out of nowhere, "So you only date Japanese guys?" I was speechless at this question and didn't know how to respond. If I say "yes" she will accuse me of racism, but her comment is quite racist itself. I kept quiet. Yes, I only date Japanese/Koreans but I don't HATE anyone else. It used to be "racist" to date outside of your race but nowadays people think you are racist if you prefer your own race. Granted I am half-blood but I was raised traditionally Japanese.

BTW, if I would have commented about the picture on her desk of her black husband ("so you only marry black men?") I'm sure I would have been reprimanded by my manager or possibly fired.

Anyway, I don't let stupid comments bother me. I don't care who people date, as long as they are happy.

NO, I am NOT racist.

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Uh, the fact that you made a big deal about it in your mind is itself somewhat racist. What's wrong with saying, "yeah, I prefer Japanese guys, that's my preference."? It's the truth, isn't it? Tiptoeing around the question, in and of itself, shows signs of racial thinking. Just saying.

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04 Aug 2012, 2:35 pm

You know what I hate even more than political correctness? Armchair psychoanalysts telling me what my opinions mean.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:05 pm

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I dislike racism but i dislike self-righteous political correctness even more sometimes.

The vast majority of people who whine about political correctness seem to be well off whites, scared to death of having their status and privileges undermined.

Cry about Godwin's law all you like, but self righteous political incorrectness on the other hand is far worse, and far more dangerous.

I'm not well off, but I'm white. Political correctness is specifically a feature of Western white-majority societies. As such, the white majority is the most likely to be criticized and chastised for violating political correctness. So it would make sense, logically, that whites would be the biggest critics of PC.

And you sir are proving the point. If I were to say something like "blacks love political correctness because they're lazy and it's just another tool for them to feel they're getting back at whites," it would be very politically incorrect, as well as incorrect and absurd in general.

But when you say the same thing, "oh, whites are scared of losing their special place so that's why they criticize political correctness!" you're doing the same thing, making a generalization about a group of people based on your own personal bias.

Double standard?

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04 Aug 2012, 3:09 pm

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I smiled and nodded to her and in no way tiptoed around the question. Why would she even ask that question in the first place? Race. It's astoundingly direct.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:20 pm

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Double standard?

Probably doesn't help that the poster in question comes from a part of the world where there is almost no non-white immigration and non-white people full stop are a rarity so it's all very well for him to get on his high-horse but, speaking from experience of multiple visits to the Province, Northern Ireland is very sheltered in that respect. The Chinese, the largest ethnic minority in Northern Ireland, made up a quarter of a single per cent of the population in the 2001 census.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:24 pm

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Surely the question is pertinent then, where are the non-white people who are criticising PC'ness? I am not seeing them and I don't think thats coiincidental.

I am not saying you are well off, hence my important and not to be overlooked use of the word 'most'. I have encountered working class, blue collar types complaining about PC, usually propping up the pub bar as they were doing so. Most of which aren't genuinely racist but are in fact victims of a cyncical collective effort by the gutter media to glibly forewarn and scaremonger about the imminent demise of a 'traditional' society with 'more wholesome' values where it was ok to snipe at your non-white neighbour with a racist epithet and not have to feel guilty about it.

If you are a ordinary white person, you really have nothing to worry or fear from about PC. the campaign against it is a divide and conquer tactic by our rich masters in government and in big business.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:26 pm

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I smiled and nodded to her and in no way tiptoed around the question. Why would she even ask that question in the first place? Race. It's astoundingly direct.

Yes and no. It may seem impolite, but how can you definitely say it was racist?

Your boyfriend is Japanese. There's no shame in being Japanese. You really only date Japanese/Korean, again, no shame in that.

Is race such a taboo subject that whenever someone frames race within a question, most of us seem conditioned to think "RACIST!"? ...and that's kind of what you're doing.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:30 pm

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Surely the question is pertinent then, where are the non-white people who are criticising PC'ness? I am not seeing them and I don't think thats coiincidental.

What I was saying is that whites are the most likely to be chastised for violating the sanctity of political correctness. Minorities are seemingly immune, therefore they have nothing to complain about, so you're not going to see any.

In fact, it's almost taboo to accuse of minority of not being PC.

The concept that, "when a white guy says something about race, it's racist! When a minority says something about race, that's perfectly alright" seems to be part of the PC discourse.

Personally, I don't care if blacks or whoever else want to make racist jokes or commentaries. I just don't like the double standard. After all, we're all supposed to be equal, right?

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04 Aug 2012, 3:31 pm

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The concept that, "when a white guy says something about race, it's racist! When a minority says something about race, that's perfectly alright" seems to be part of the PC discourse.

Exactly - out-and-out racism from non-white people tends to be downplayed or ignored. If a white person was making similar statement, the opposite would be true.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:36 pm

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Surely the question is pertinent then, where are the non-white people who are criticising PC'ness? I am not seeing them and I don't think thats coiincidental.

It comes back to my point about power relations, which i mentioned a page back ago or so.

I think you're exaggerating a little here. I've never once before heard anyone insinuate its implied for a white person to be racist to talk about race in any context (other than when they are being obviously racist). I mean, can you even give me a single significant incidence, where the so called PC-scourge has actually affected you?

I'll guarantee that if not in your case, then certainly that of your peers it is nothing but paranoia.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:49 pm

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The concept that, "when a white guy says something about race, it's racist! When a minority says something about race, that's perfectly alright" seems to be part of the PC discourse.

I've seen that. Apparently, it's also correct for white people to resent themselves, or part of their groups. In other threads, white people discussed Asian countries being visited by "old white perverts" looking for a wife thinking what they're doing is not illegal. Imagine me saying "old Pakistani perverts" raped white girls in the United Kingdom believing they had the right to. Both are problems, but with that wording, there's only one that might get me censored and land accusations of racism. Remarks that could appear to be racist are, apparently, acceptable coming from anyone, as long as the group they concern is white.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:53 pm

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I think you're exaggerating a little here. I've never once before heard anyone insinuate its implied for a white person to be racist to talk about race in any context (other than when they are being obviously racist). I mean, can you even give me a single significant incidence, where the so called PC-scourge has actually affected you?

I'll guarantee that if not in your case, then certainly that of your peers it is nothing but paranoia.

I was working in retail and there were several siblings who worked there. A brother and sister, and two brothers.

There was one manager girl who was Puerto Rican, and a guy a few years younger who was also Puerto Rican. I was new to the job, and one day I saw the two of them running around joking after hours. Like brother and sister.

Knowing there were a few other siblings combos working there, I asked if they were brother and sister. The Puerto Rican girl went NUTS on me. "Oh, because we're both hispanic we're related?? Why do you white people always think that!!," etc. etc.

True, if she was Puerto Rican and he was Chinese, I wouldn't have thought they were siblings at all. But the fact that they were the same race AND more importantly joking around in a bro-sis manner, I thought the question was valid, and didn't mean any disrespect by it. The Puerto Rican girl acted as if it were her right to take personal offense at the question, a white guy asking if two hispanics were related. Shock! Horror!

Psychological conditioning.

Of course, New Jersey, USA and County Down, N. Ireland, UK are two very different places in regards to number on non-white people around.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:54 pm

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It comes back to my point about power relations, which i mentioned a page back ago or so.

I really don't buy that one, because power relations change, but the movements to push for the changes never stop; careers are at stake. It's like the anti-smoking campaign, they just can't stop, now they want to ban smoking in provincial parks, which are tens of miles across. Next they will want to stop people smoking in their own apartment, soon after that private homes. Because there are jobs at stake, positions of power and influence that people are never going to say "Oh, mission accomplished, right then, we'll just step down"

I don't see it as a fight against power relations and I think that is the wrong mindset to be in, its a loss of focus, it should be a fight for equality. Disrupting power relations is not a goal in and of itself, it is just a means to an end - equality is the goal. Keep your eye on the ball, lest you trade one set of power relations for another. That's happened countless times in history.

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I mostly agree with this ... I haven't seen any instances of "oppression" stemming from political correctness at this stage, but it's a possibility. I don't think all the whining about not being able to air one's vile bigotry without being called out on it eventually, is any sort of oppression or repression, it's just a vile bigot having a tantrum. But the potential for the power relations to hit equality and not stop, to keep going, the momentum simply carrying the pendulum the other way, is always there, which is why I don't buy the whole "power relations" argument.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:55 pm

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Glorifel wrote:

I smiled and nodded to her and in no way tiptoed around the question. Why would she even ask that question in the first place? Race. It's astoundingly direct.

Really? Who was thinking "RACIST!!" ? I was CONCERNED about MY response being taken as racist because she obviously has interest in RACE and I have no idea what her personal opinions are. Let me point out that I live in the Midwest and most of the people I worked with and still work with are VERY conservative. Walking up to someone's desk and directly asking about their partner's race really isn't appropriate in the workplace anyway. It can make people uncomfortable. I might have felt better about it if she had shown any other interest in my relationship other than my partner's race. Or any interest in me at all. We really didn't talk when we worked together and did not know each other.

Race is not taboo to me. There's nothing wrong with having a discussion about race. That's not what happened here.

When did I ever say I was ashamed of my race, my partners race, or my preference? I am not ashamed whatsoever. I really DON'T think it's a big deal. Being asked that kind of question is not only impolite, but extremely rude when you don't ever say another word to a person you've worked with for an extended period of time, and really, that kind of question doesn't belong in the workplace, IMO.

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04 Aug 2012, 3:56 pm

I am pretty sure there are some that are but I think roughly 85-90% of Aspies/Auties are not, that is primarily an NT thing due to wanting to constantly be judgmental.I am not saying all NTs are, just that there would be a much higher percentage of NTs being racists.

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04 Aug 2012, 4:11 pm

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When did I ever say I was ashamed of my race, my partners race, or my preference? I am not ashamed whatsoever. I really DON'T think it's a big deal. Being asked that kind of question is not only impolite, but extremely rude when you don't ever say another word to a person you've worked with for an extended period of time, and really, that kind of question doesn't belong in the workplace, IMO.

And I feel all of your own hang-ups about the question reflect you're perception of the taboo nature of the concept. Why not just answer? Who cares what her agenda is? You don't even know. Say "yes, I like Japanese guys. Why do you ask?"

You're so worried about how she'll perceive you, and how "appropriate" or not the question is when you don't even know why she's asking. Maybe, ironically, she's less hung-up on race than you are. Maybe she thought this would be a good way to start up a friendship with you and didn't know you'd be so hung-up about it. Just something to think about before jumping to conclusions.

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