Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship

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From someone of your mindset that statement can only evoke a howl of laughter.

Again,like other clowns on this thread u assumes knowledge of my mentality or mindset while my comments are referring to facts.
i know,facts are boring as they impose proportions on the unlimited narcissistic ego,it's much more fun and much more easier to scream fascists and deface or defame others in order to paint yourself with the beautiful colors u evidently do not deserve,
that the sickness of the euro-left and that why they are so unhelpful and so irrelevant/

Aah well, like most Israelis your persecution complex is showing.

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Thats Canada as much as it is Israel.

From my understanding, it's a result of the media there and its focus on anti-semitism and the holocaust more so than most media normally would. It's a part of the crisis mentality being created to control the populace into accepting the more militant and unsympathetic stances taken.

It's something that AIPAC and other American Israeli lobby groups also like to feed. It makes people easier to control when they think it's "us against them" instead of the truly nuanced nature of almost everything.

Again with the patronizing analysis based on total ignorance and archaic sociology.
It doesn't take more than little time and effort to get the unbelievably distorted view and sentiments that's linked to israel
Just Look how an innocent announcement of our little AS community was received on this site
Instead of spinning ridiculous theories take the little time to search the web and if u r not entirely incompetent and insensitive u'd be blown away by the amount and "quality" of the hateful stuff associate with the Jews and Israel
The holocaust is not mention in Israel as much as u imagine ,most ppl are very familiar with the subject and doesn't care to hear about it anymore

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a bit of reality for your delusional mind,hope it's wouldn't be too painful for u

Gaza starvation

That was taken from an Israeli documentary analyzing the sensitivities to perceived antisemitism vs actual antisemitism. The documentary was called Defamation. It's not me pulling it out of nowhere, it's me pulling it from your media.

Everybody disagrees with something. The only reason that no Gazans actively protest the Hamas government is that Hamas is a tyrannical government which has been known to kill those who speak against their extremist measures.

Actually the main reason Gazans don't actively protest the Hamas government is because Israel is obviously the main problem for them.

This is easily demonstrated by the fact that the main thing some Gazans actually do against the will of Hamas is rocket Israel when Hamas doesn't want them to. Hamas is actually a moderating force in Gaza.

Yeah but that doesn't fit the propaganda and like I said about a constant state of war/crisis...that propaganda gets in there deep.

For example, here, Russia isn't even a threat anymore and that's long done but there are many people here who still don't trust them and don't want the country to do any business with them. It's a result of those decades of propaganda in a perpetual state of crisis/war and since the cold war is over, the war on terror has begun to fill the same role.

Like all complex stories, a series of generalizations is not going to properly set out either side's merits or faults.

There is signficant blame to be laid at the feet of both the government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority. But allocating blame is not a way forward. If a resolution is to be found, it can only be done through a few basic principles:

1) Two states. The majority of Israelis understand this to be the way forward, but the government continues to erode the territorial claims to the Left Bank as it was demarked in 1948. That's not to say that the demographics of the British Mandate ought to etch matters in stone, but Israel's steady encroachment is a significant irritant. By the same token, the Palestinian Authority must come to grips with controlling those segments of its population (and their backers) who refuse to recognize Israeli sovereignty within its borders (wherever they wind up being drawn).

2) Pluralist democracy. Israel is a pluralist, Parliamentary democracy with a free press, and rule of law that binds the State. Until the Palestinian Authority can demonstrate the governance capacity to overcome factionalism, the factions will potentially pose a threat not only to Israel, but to Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and most importantly, to Palestine.

3) Bilateral negotiation. When the Palestinian Authority has the capacity to negotiate for their people, and to deliver ratification of a negotiated agreement, then the two sides will be in a position to sit down and deal with a negotiated solution. But that's a pretty significant precondition as things stand.

4) Multilateralism. The interested observers need to be moving their players toward the centre. While the current US Administration is making noises in that direction, it is not matched by any attempt at rapprochement from Iran. Jordan, who has the potential to be a significant dealmaker, has been all but silent. Egypt (a not insignificant player) is the lone Arab voice seeking to move the Palestinians towards a peaceful resolution, but motivated primarily from a shared security concern.

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Glenn Greenwald destroys Spitzer's pro-Israel propaganda with fact.

As usual it doesn't fit reality ,The rockets are fired by a small groups mostly affiliate with all keida or the like,for any extremist group there is allays some group of fanatics who is more fundamental or bloody and it is no surprise that certain ppl on this discussion choose to built their arguments or ideology based on the most extreme, uncompromising murderous thugs while preaching peace and sanity to anyone who wouldn't take their crap seriously.
Most Palestinians,like most Israelis want a 2 state solutions but since moderate ppl tend to quietly tend to their own business and families the agenda,much like in this discussion,is hijacked by demagogues,one sided, simplistic, blood thirsty , minority who pretend to speak for the ultimate justice or moral

Of course there is no comparison between the USSR-USA situation and the of the Middle east but some people on this thread would typical bend reality to fit their preconceptions instead of doing the opposite the way any sane,creative,peace loving,honest human being will do.
Please do tell me my dear demagogue friend when was the last time Russia fired something at America ?
The palies fire at us almost daily and when they don't they openly declare they are willing to die in order to destroy us completely,
Do i,Really need some spoiled,ignorant american to tell me the danger here is just a propaganda when i'v been fired at since the day i was born ?
When was the last time u faced death from the hand of another human being ?
Do u have an idea how many times i was shot at ?Escaped a deadly charge ?
Did u ever seen your neighbor kids slaughtered ?
Well,i did,Yet i am willing to take almost any risk to get an agreement with the palies
I do not hate them, i do not fear them, i have Palestinians friends that i'll do and did anything to help them,
Please stop mistaking me and other Israelis with your rednecks friends.
We are not like u
we do not want to be like u
Your logic and take on the situation here is so flawed i wouldn't know where to begin but i must tell u that the your opinions and presence is the problem and not the solution and since we dealing here with real blood and real pain i wish that some day ppl like u would go away and leaves us alone/

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You mean West Bank right?

Yea,Right,what a load of bulls$$t
UN as objective source,what a joke
Does the Fact that Hamas was elected democratically means Israel must let go of it right to defend itself from it aggression,How stupid can u be,it's really embarrassing
No one declared there's weapons on board the ships so there's no weapon there,Great,just Great
I feel pity for the palies,they deserve much better than the stupidest man on earth
BTW
Israel send to Gaza every day an amount of aid many many times greater than the cargo on board the entire flotilla( toys and electrical golf carts,that really what the Gazan need to saves them from hunger)
Israel supplies electricity to Gaza from a power station frequently targeted by your dear friends
Could u name another country that did that ?
People from Gaza are getting the best treatment every day at Israeli hospitals,did u ever heard it mention in the news ?

What made Israel a relatively successful nation is it decision to ignore the world and do it own thing because u r not worth listening to
As i commented before, Israel need to be criticized, allot,but it has to be done by smart,honest,peace loving ppl, something u and the man in the vis are obviously not.

Sounds all right to me.
Why do think Egypt a not insignificant player ?