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What sentencing disparity?

Facts, figures, quotes, references, links please?

I don't see why I should even care as in my brief time in this sub-fourm, I've seen you refer to those who disgree with you as "morons" and "zombie conservatives." I can link the appropriate pages if you like.

http://www.ssc.wisc.edu/~oliver/RACIAL/ ... rities.htm

But I already know you don't care. You've made that clear enough.

Wow, a sociology link............ I wasn't expecting that.

Sociology is nothing more than a bunch of long-hairs who sit around applying pedantic language to obvious observations............. and sit back and wait for a large government grant.

But back to your facts........

Its possible that the black community may on the whole commit violent crimes at a higher rate than the white community? (gasp)

Actually, the fact is that blacks do commit crimes at a much higher rate than whites. In fact, blacks commit the same total amount of feloines as whites each year in the USA despite only having 1/5th of the white population. So it is absolutely justified that blacks should be going to prison at higher rates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_c ... ted_States

Blacks consistently overrepresent their percentage of the population in most felonies.

Then again though, you are right in that I'm far more concerned with other things than I am with violent minority offenders. Boo Hoo...... they actually finish their sentence.

You seem to either suggest that black felons remain free to inflict their crimes on innocent people, or that innocent whites be unjustly incarcerated to preserve delicate racial balances. Good luck with that.

And please don't give the BS about needing "more government services" to correct the problem. Throwing money at stuff is not a viable solution.

No answer, I guess..........

BAZINGA ! !! !! !! !! !! ! right back at you dude.

Pretty pathetic posting those little clips to back up your "points"(which are trite, easily refuted, and uninspired anyway.) I guess it does explain the 7500+ posts.

Its even doubly pathetic when you get so excited over just asking a question, as opposed to actually winning an arguement or something like that. HA HA.

It's quite evident your comprehension of the dynamics of social forces and their interactions and responses to historic factors is about as close to zero as anyone can get. That's a shame but it makes discussion damned near impossible.

How so? What dynamics don't I understand?

Mabye I interpret historical events differently than yourself. That doesn't make it wrong. Just different opinions.

Please don't hide behind your pedantry.

You're just saying that because I've made dozens of points for which the whole of you have been completely unable to answer back against.

I've only just begun.

Its obvious that the only solutions liberals ever offer involve some form of 'throwing money at the problem,'............... creating new bureaus, agencies, services.

What's evident from your submissions and your attitude is that you are incapable of seeing anyone not of your class or color as anything but some kind of human detritus, filth and danger dressed in human form. What I have heard and read of Jesus ( and I have no idea whether or not you feel any identity there) he had high regard for his fellow man. You drip acid contempt for anything not the mirror image of whatever you think you are and seem to have a total lack of any understanding or compassion for people of different color or ethnic background, no comprehension of their problems that they have mothers and fathers like yourself, have children that need love and care and help in growing up and finding their way in a very tough society, that they have desperate needs not very different from yourself. You have no imagination and are about as unAmerican in ideals as as anyone I have ever encountered. I am very sorry for you.

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I'm just wondering though, what historical facts don't I know? And what social dynamics am I unaware of? Did I state any incorrect facts?

The problem is that if you don't embrace the perscribed liberal solutions, than you are "ignorant of history and sociology." Its a common liberal tactic to disregard opposing views in this manner.

A field like sociology is virtually 100% liberal and is almost completely intolerant of any non-liberal views. This makes the study completely stale.

The liberals have an overwhelming control over the whole of the philosophy/history/sociology disciplines. They write the conclusions and interpretations themselves. Then when someone dissents....................

Our current modern society is the most convenient and secure society to grow up in in history. Do you think these children would have been any happier in the Middle-Ages? Or in Ancient Babylon?

And people should not have to be the "village" that raises the superfluous children of other families. I'd rather save money and spend it on my own prospective family one day, as opposed to paying taxes to fund millions of superfluous minority children whom I have never even met.

Also, much better to be as I am now than a pop-culture conformst MTV drone IMO.

There is no doubt that smugness confers a sense of inner peace.

Re Brazil: It is correct that I am not up on Latin American history. But I had seen the posts indicating Brazil's late date of abolition of slavery. I normally do not consider Latin America to be part of the "Western World," and at least from what I understand that is the prevailing view. The precise definition of what constitutes the "West" is somewhat debatable, so I should have been clearer.

I believe in plenty. I believe in individual liberty and freedom of conscience. I believe in the right of every person to try to make a life for themselves without having artificial barriers placed in their way. I believe broadly in the ideals of the Enlightenment and the political philosophy they spawned.


Just a typical conservative ploy. You disagree with someone, they must be a commie.


I'm opposed to racial quotas and affirmative action. Not all bloc-voting is based on ethnic groups (and not all racially-based voting blocs benefit liberals).


I have never "collected" minority friends like stamps, and to suggest such a thing is incredibly crass. Race hasn't played a serious part in who my friends are. Simply because of where I live, several of my friends are Cuban or Jewish, but it's not as though I sought out Jews to make friends with them. I don't do racial friendship quotas.


Plenty of "liberal sociologists" agree that racial issues are still a part of our society. However, they disagree with you that segregation and isolationism are appropriate responses. When you want absolutely nothing to do with someone else simply based on their race and nothing else, you have quite clearly crossed the line into overt racism.


Superficial physical differences. It's simple enough to identify someone's ethnicity by their physical appearance, but beyond that you would be hard-pressed to find any reliable distinctions.

South America is part of the Western World and the modern nations of South America have been imposed and established by Westerners mostly of Spanish descent. What is true about much of South America is that its part of the Western World least influenced by the Protestant revolution.

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It's not quite that simple. See for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world. Some people consider Latin America to be part of the Western World, some do not. I fall into the latter camp.

As much as you've been going on about the 14th amendment and the other amendments, you do realize that those amendments really aren't set in stone? They can be repealed or overridden, as actually happened once with the 21st amendment. Your repeated assertions that all of those, especially the ones written after the Bill of Rights are absolutely the law of the land is in fact not absolute.

Fortuantely, the remaining few of our politicans who still have the huevos to stand up to 'the invasion,' are beginning to see how unworkable it is to pass out American Citizenship like candy with the tech and biological dangers of this century. Thankfully at least some people are dare beginning to consider legislation against "Anchor babies," and at least reconsider not automatically granting citizenship to every spawn birthed within the borders.

I really doubt any change of this stripe will happen though, at least with premier Obama in office. For every major racial issue during his term, he's taken up arms with the minority (1070, the mosque, Professor Gates etc.) Obama is obviously completely on the side of minority aggrandizement. He's so predictable in this way of always siding with the minority party.

What Obama really means by "change" is the general transfer of power from whites to minorities in America. The goal is to change America from a white nation into a nation that is dominantly influenced by many minority cultures.

The fact is that anytime ever dares to be critical of minoritie(s), it is always asked "how many minority friends do you have?," or something along these lines. It is expected of you to be cosmopolitian in this way to be accepted in liberal circles. Even though you made these friends on your own accord.........



I don't see why it matters so much who and who not I choose to associate with and on what grounds I make for doing so? Its all about trying to "force friendships," where no common ground exists to satisfy a larger melting-pot agenda.

Its true that I generally don't accost black people purely because they are black. I don't jump up automatically to make friends with anyone though. I admit I do often make decisions about who I speak with based on their outward appearance.

Generally though, I know well enough that being around a "gangsta" is not the kind of experience I wish to even attempt, to say the least. I know well enough to cross to the other side of the street if a black person is coming at me.

The 14th Amendment is more important to our current legal system than most of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights. In fact, it is essential for the modern interpretation of the Bill of Rights. The fact of the matter is that outright repealing it isn't an option for deeply pragmatic reasons, such as the collapse of our society due to the large body of legal precedent relying upon the 14th Amendment.