Islam is a pro-Aspergers religion (unlike Christianity)

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Jono
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30 Oct 2010, 3:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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The very fact apostasy entails death in Islam, makes it a religion not befitting anyone with a rational mind

Islam and Apostasy

That's from a website called WikiIslam. I'm usually sceptical about websites that appear to promote some kind of agenda.

Apostasy requires death is right from the Q'ran. Not from a website.

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It's not quite so clear cut. From what I can gather, the requirement of the death penalty does not come from the Koran itself but from the Hadith. Some modern Muslim scholars argue that some particular Hadith traditions, such as those, no longer apply in the modern world and that there are verses in the Koran that contradict this action. Indeed, the Muslim friends I've asked about this have told me that there are verses stating that one cannot force someone become a Muslim nor to remain a Muslim. Then again, those Muslim friends of mine are mainly modern and/or liberal Muslims.

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31 Oct 2010, 5:40 am

Jono wrote:

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The very fact apostasy entails death in Islam, makes it a religion not befitting anyone with a rational mind

Islam and Apostasy

That's from a website called WikiIslam. I'm usually sceptical about websites that appear to promote some kind of agenda.

The entire religion of Islam is promoting an aggressive agenda: the Islamisation of the whole human race. Why do you think they demand that every child born into a Muslim family must be a Muslim? And a non-Muslim can't marry a Muslim unless he convert, while Muslims can freely hook up with non-Muslims only to enforce their religions on their partners later (see all these Arab male + white girl couples).

I have "moderate" (read: non-observant) Muslim friends too, and even they freely admit their desire to see the whole world go Islam. Given it's a religion that forbids criticism (Mohammed cartoons) and departure, that's bad news.

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31 Oct 2010, 10:56 am

It's probably just because of the stereotype that aspies are afraid of social activities that involve drinking or having sex, or are just too socially confused to even get invited to such events in the first place.

Islam isn't okay with either so naturally the typical aspie would gravitate towards it.

I on the other hand just can't see following something that strict, and speaking as someone who lived in a muslim country for a while their traditions do seem kind of silly.

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31 Oct 2010, 1:01 pm

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I was thinking along those line too.
Th OP (or some individual aspies) might be drawn to Islam ( or to other religious sects such as the Amish) who have rules - forwhatever reason- that have the effect of eliminating ambiguous and stressful social situations. Members of such communities wouldnt have to deal with social dancing, the ladies dont have to waste time figuring out how to dress each mourning ( in some case male attire is also perscribed), and so on.
An aspie might find comfort,or atleast a temporary relief from stress, in such a community. i wouldnt. but someone might.

I think that the OP is for real, and that he's a troubled individual desperate for community.
Hes ripe to be plucked by a cult.

To the original poster: This Mosque you stumbled upon might be a good community or it might be a cult - get some professional help.

And-- watch out if they offer you some Kool AId.
And (as someone above said) dont let them fit you with a bomb belt!

Whether its PsuedoIslamic, Psuedo Christian, of Scientology, - dangerous cults come in all kinds of idealogical wrappers.

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02 Nov 2010, 9:49 am

With all due respect, I'd rather shoot myself than live in an islamic nation.

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02 Nov 2010, 10:15 am

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With all due respect, I'd rather shoot myself than live in an islamic nation.

I know of some Muslims who would rather blow themselves up than live in a Western society.

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02 Nov 2010, 6:45 pm

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With all due respect, I'd rather shoot myself than live in an islamic nation.

I think you are making the mistake of assuming all Islamic nations are the same.

Turkey is quite pleasant, and the Emirates and Oman are very kind (even obsequious) to western foreigners (rich European tourists and businessmen are a huge source of their income), in spite of their occasional racism.

Islamic nations are not all as barbaric as you'd imagine, especially if you are working there in a steady position, for example, as a university professor. It also helps if you've found the local expat community and befriended fellow westerners. This is speaking as someone from an American family that lived in the middle east for a portion of his childhood.

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02 Nov 2010, 7:04 pm

Yupa wrote:

hadapurpura wrote:

With all due respect, I'd rather shoot myself than live in an islamic nation.

There is a politically strong party emerging in Turkey advocating the imposition of shariah law. We shall see just how long Turkey remains pleasant.

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02 Nov 2010, 11:30 pm

There's also a raising party in the US that seems to be composed of utter racist wackos and morons, yet they somehow gained at least one seat today.

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02 Nov 2010, 11:37 pm

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There's also a raising party in the US that seems to be composed of utter racist wackos and morons, yet they somehow gained at least one seat today.

Study your history, the last party that had a member of the KKK in congress was the Democrats.

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02 Nov 2010, 11:47 pm

Democrats and republicans are trash, but it doesn't make tea parters any less of a bunch of idiots worse than both.

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03 Nov 2010, 10:02 am

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Democrats and republicans are trash, but it doesn't make tea parters any less of a bunch of idiots worse than both.

And still the name calling. As aspies we should know better than to be just calling people names

Here's a debate with a typical Tea Party Basher
Tea Party Basher->> You're an idiot
Tea Partier ->> states what positions we believe in.
Tea Party Basher ->> You're stupid
Tea Partier ->> explains why we think the way we do, showing facts and data.
Tea Party Basher ->> You just hate poor people, tax the rich.
Tea Partier ->> explains how even taxing the rich 100% is not enough cover to cover our expenses, and how we think all people should be treated equal.
Tea Party Basher ->> You're a racist cause Obama's black
Tea Partier ->> Throws up hands in disgust and walks away.

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03 Nov 2010, 10:19 am

parrow wrote:

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Democrats and republicans are trash, but it doesn't make tea parters any less of a bunch of idiots worse than both.

I'm agreed that name calling solves nothing. I would also like to argue that the Tea Party ideals solve nothing either.

You cannot eliminate a massive deficit by reduced spending AND by cutting taxes. The math simply doesn't add up. I wonder how many Tea Party supporters might be singing a different tune if they happen to lose their jobs and then get denied for unemployment benefits, COBRA subsidies, food stamps, WIC, emergency heat assistance, and other programs that have helped (even saved) so many during hard times in the past. But don't worry, Wal-Mart can continues to receive tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. :roll:

The so-called leaders of the Tea Party movement aren't doing you any favors either. You've got Rand Paul arguing against the Civil Rights Act, Sharon Angle trying to remove "autism" and maternity benefits from insurance policies, and Christine O'Donnell, well, I'll just say slightly less than knowledgable about the constitution and basic biology.

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03 Nov 2010, 11:03 am

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You cannot eliminate a massive deficit by reduced spending AND by cutting taxes. The math simply doesn't add up. I wonder how many Tea Party supporters might be singing a different tune if they happen to lose their jobs and then get denied for unemployment benefits, COBRA subsidies, food stamps, WIC, emergency heat assistance, and other programs that have helped (even saved) so many during hard times in the past. But don't worry, Wal-Mart can continues to receive tax breaks for outsourcing jobs. :roll:

How much the government is in their lives is something they don't understand and refuse to admit which is why I don't bother anymore trying to point out every last detail. They'd rather live in a pre-industrial world with pre-industrial living conditions. They're too dogged determined to try and reach that to even look to the past and realize how bad life was then and only see it through rose-tinted glasses.

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03 Nov 2010, 12:03 pm

It is not name-calling if it is true.

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03 Nov 2010, 2:29 pm

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You cannot eliminate a massive deficit by reduced spending AND by cutting taxes. The math simply doesn't add up.

Lets simplify the math for you. Say for example right now the government collects $100 in taxes, and spends $150. Tea party proposes we lower tax collection to $75 and lower spending to $70. Budget balanced, and deficit will be taken care of in time. Just because some can't conceive of how it is possible to shrink the size of government that much does not mean it is not possible.

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