Why leftist hate economics so much?

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OK. The content of your posts is still highly lacking in logical, reasoned content.

And of course, you don't consider the notion that your dyslexia or autism, rather than oppressive government policies, might be causing problems for you, and that in fact government does quite a bit to help people like you and prevent workplace discrimination.


Why would you join the military if government is the problem? I mean, you are aware that the military is part of the government, right?

Yes, I think I need a translator from troll-speak into actual English when it comes to LibertarianAS.

YOU are confusing Libertarians with Anarchists!!

the military is one of the few proper role of a legitimate government

we need a strong military,police and courts to defend life,liberty and property

Our military as currently constituted does not protect life, liberty, or property of Americans. Besides that, the purpose of any military is primarily to destroy, not to protect. You cannot build a house or grow crops with an AK-47 and an Apache helicopter.

At least you're not gay. I've heard the military doesn't take too well to that either!

That depends on which Americans you're referring to.

Your assumptions are so far from reality it's hard to know where to start. A flat tax would not only be grossly unfair, but it would greatly diminish the tax revenue if the wealthiest were not taxed at a higher rate than the poor or middle class. Wealth is very highly concentrated among the top earners/owners in our society.

There are no such thing as welfare queens. Welfare is paltry and no one who could get a decent paying job would choose welfare.

The amount that the US spends on foreign aid is minuscule as a percentage of the budget. What needs to be cut is the program that takes up about 50% of the whole budget, which is the military and its current senseless wars.

Cutting public education and health programs would create a miserable quality of life for everyone. Not even conservatives think that public education should be cut, as it would create an uneducated public which could not work at decent jobs to help the overall economy. (And the idea of cutting parks and museums is just laughable. They take up such a tiny amount of funding that it would be utterly negligible.)

And saying that global warming and climate science is made up is just plain foolish.

I have to assume you are just making stuff up to stir trouble and that you are not actually so delusional and out of touch with reality as to believe the things you posted.

Well, right, I mean, a lot of libertarians oppose the extent of the military for the US. In fact, I'd say that most do. While it may be true that military is legitimate, that does not mean that any degree of militarization is legitimate, after all, it is obviously clear that a military-state, even if it had formal libertarian or democratic structures, would not be libertarian due to the actual nature of how society is organized.

Cutting the defense budget has some legs, though.

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L-AS is an Ayn Randy follower. There have been a few who have passed by this forum over the almost three years I have been here.

Randyites are convinced that if everyone adopted their ideas, the world would be problem free. At the other end of this Utopian spectrum we find the Venusites, who have also been through here via members who no longer post.

Extreme economic ideas do not work, as the logic (?) falls flat in the face of reality.

I have enjoyed reading these seven pages, and have learned more about national and international economics, a rather complex field of study in which I am still a novice, despite my age and experience.

Everyone really hates economics that much. Right wing administration of resources does great until a dot-com bubble collapses, or a mortage bubble collapses or your mom's buble collapses. We love capitalism just until inflation kills us. Then we have people begging to have fixed prices... Hehe.

The thing with capitalism and communism is ... they don't really work once reality hits. I dislike communism more simply because it requires humans not to be selfish b*st*rds, which they are. Capitalism can works somehow most of the time even in a world filled with selfish b*st*rds, which ours is. But overall I think that in practice center stuff works better. All first class countries out there , including US, are rather centric actually, implementing righty ideas while at the same time they have things like welfare programs and won't mind nationalizing in case of issues...

Eh, I think all it is, is just some ideological similarities, so I can interpret claims as something, when they are otherwise easy to dismiss.

To the contrary, there is no significant change in means of production as there was during the shift to mass production surrounding the crash of 1929.

From the standpoint of economic fundamentals, the crash of 2008 is far more similar to the crash of 2002 - indeed, it should have been milder. The reasons for it being more severe have entirely to do with inappropriate governmental and regulatory responses.

Wealth is not much concentrated among the top earners, in the sense of people that work for pay. The concentration is almost entirely among the top 0.1% of the taxpaying population, which is to say, people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that won the information technology lottery and make the vast majority of their income in capital gains, rather than in earnings.

A flat tax at a reasonable rate - say 20% - would actually raise income taxes on these people, because they currently pay capital gains rates that are lower than those of middle income earners. That would be especially true if various major loopholes - like the rules for charitable donation of appreciated goods, which allow deductions to be double counted - were closed. Liberals don't propose to change any of that, probably because most of these extremely rich people tend to donate more to Democrats than to Republicans.


There are many different welfare programs in the U.S., and some are far from paltry. Food stamps are substantial, AFDC is substantial, section 8 housing is substantial. Plenty of single mothers choose welfare because it's better than getting a paying job and paying someone to do child care, and they stay single because getting married makes it harder to collect welfare as well.


The military is only 23% of federal spending:


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You can only pretend military spending is a large proportion by ignoring various entitlement and welfare programs such as medicaid which constitute the majority of spending.


It appears it's the claims in your post that are delusional.

The amount spent on medicaid, disability/SSI, welfare, food stamps, etc... is actually dwarfed by the amount spent on retired folks. Nothing disgusts me more than retired boomers bitching about welfare. I just want to tell these people to stop collecting medicare or STFU. By the time people my age get old the minimum retirement age will be 85 and nobody will be getting retirement benefits from their employers anymore.

Dot com bubble was President Clinton and popped about the time President Bush first took office. Inflation is caused by printing money like crazy and having nothing to back it, we could get hit with massive inflation thanks to them planning to flood the place with $600 billion in printed bills.



Of the two capitalism is the better one, however there still should be rules. However if you have too many rules you can choke the economy to death.