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04 Dec 2010, 8:23 pm

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http://wikileaks.ch/articles/2010/PayPal-freezes-WikiLeaks-donations.html

I am not nearly as impressed about the stuff wikileaks is leaking directly as I am about what the situation is uncovering indirectly. Apparently , the US government has utter control over the internet and if they wish they can DDOS you, cut your domain out, make US companies unwilling to host you, and shut down your paypal donations.

Anyone else wondering if wikileaks has a harassment case?

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04 Dec 2010, 8:24 pm

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The furor over these diplomatic cable leaks are pretty funny since these don't put anyone in danger despite their claims. It only exposes these criminals for the liars they are.

At least two lives have been endangered by the leaked documents: Bradley Mannings' life, and Julian Assange's life.

The Taliban has admitted it is looking into the cables for names of informants against them.

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04 Dec 2010, 8:37 pm

I had a top secret security clearance when I was a government employee. There you do indeed find a bizarre combination of paranoia and stupidity. One's intense preoccupation is with keeping one's ass covered. You can lose your security clearance, and your job, for the most inane things. There isn't anything at all surprizing in the Wikileaks.

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04 Dec 2010, 11:51 pm

The biggest independent voice in the US is still very low profile, unfortunately.
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Seriously people, we have an international search! Interpol, you know the guys that are often very useless at finding any drug dealer or Osama Bin Laden for that matter, has issued red notices on Assange. We have all the airports controlled and Australia has denied him all of his citizenship rights and won't let him in. All because his two former girlfriends decided to say years after the time he had consensual sex with him that the condoms may or may not have broken. They of course have no evidence whatsoever of the claim, and they surely did not rush to make the accusation after it happened, they waited until Assange released the war logs and now the cablegate.

It is absurd. But worse, wikileaks is dealing with technical issues daily...As of now, wikileaks.ch is gone because EveryDNS still "fear DOS attacks". Paypal and Amazon have shown that all the US government has to do to take sites dependent on them down is to clap and it is done. For some reason, even wikileaks' IP cannot be accessed right now, and so do the N new domain names (wikileaks.de ,et all) because they redirect to the IP. We have US politicians seeking to charge him with espionage (nevermind all wikileaks is doing is release documents they receive, just like most media outlets are doing, and god knows all the sorts of money the world wide press is getting for covering this scandal, but we should focus on Assange and clean up wikileaks from the surface of earth.

On the other hand, Assange is pretty much into the show and that disappoints me. What if wikileaks cannot appear anymore? what's going to happen to the 249179 cables not yet released? (Because for some reason wikileaks are releasing them at the rate of 100 by day, probably to keep the hype) What about the financial records? Why couldn't they just release everything in bulk while classifying? I mean, what the hell?

Oh, and I bet you that no country on earth is going to let wikileaks' life easier anymore. The cables contain embarrassing things for EVERYONE. US, US allies, US enemies, neutral, everyone. Basically, if you ever wanted to find the most effective way to make tons and tons of enemies, releasing US diplomatic cables is the way.

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04 Dec 2010, 11:57 pm

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If it comes down to it and they never re-emerge, there is still that "Insurance"...

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05 Dec 2010, 12:01 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

What if wikileaks cannot appear anymore? what's going to happen to the 249179 cables not yet released? (Because for some reason wikileaks are releasing them at the rate of 100 by day, probably to keep the hype) What about the financial records? Why couldn't they just release everything in bulk while classifying? I mean, what the hell?

The Guardian, the New York Times, and several other newspapers all have the full Wikileaks "cablegate" archive. Even if Wikileaks is taken down, the press will still release the remaining documents.

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05 Dec 2010, 12:10 am

I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

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05 Dec 2010, 3:19 am

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I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

With so many documents to go through, maybe the 100 a day drop rate is just to keep from creating an epic TL;DR problem. 100 a day is enough for everyone to work through and analyse. It also allows them to check that they aren't dropping anyone in the s**t, as I understand they were supposed to be at least censoring out some names to stop the Taliban et al causing issues.

You're right though. All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men can't find Osama, or even get rid of the Taliban, but they have resources to waste to attack one man who is only doing what any news outlet would do. Clearly the security of the US is safe with them.... :roll:

And again, DDoS is a FEDERAL offence in the US. Obviously US laws don't apply to US agents either. Nice.

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05 Dec 2010, 3:25 am

Wonder if they're gonna trigger insurance considering how everything's heating up.

Reminds me of Spider Jerusalem in Transmetropolitan.

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05 Dec 2010, 3:56 am

Vexcalibur wrote:

I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

QFT

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It is absurd. But worse, wikileaks is dealing with technical issues daily...As of now, wikileaks.ch is gone because EveryDNS still "fear DOS attacks". Paypal and Amazon have shown that all the US government has to do to take sites dependent on them down is to clap and it is done. For some reason, even wikileaks' IP cannot be accessed right now, and so do the N new domain names (wikileaks.de ,et all) because they redirect to the IP. We have US politicians seeking to charge him with espionage (nevermind all wikileaks is doing is release documents they receive, just like most media outlets are doing, and god knows all the sorts of money the world wide press is getting for covering this scandal, but we should focus on Assange and clean up wikileaks from the surface of earth.

I have been finding this frankly chilling. I would not have guessed that it would be so easy to take Wikileaks off line, nor that it would be so blatantly censored. This attack makes Anonymous seem like a litter of kittens.

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05 Dec 2010, 11:22 am

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Vexcalibur wrote:

I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

With so many documents to go through, maybe the 100 a day drop rate is just to keep from creating an epic TL;DR problem. 100 a day is enough for everyone to work through and analyse. It also allows them to check that they aren't dropping anyone in the sh**, as I understand they were supposed to be at least censoring out some names to stop the Taliban et al causing issues.

You're right though. All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men can't find Osama, or even get rid of the Taliban, but they have resources to waste to attack one man who is only doing what any news outlet would do. Clearly the security of the US is safe with them.... :roll:

And again, DDoS is a FEDERAL offence in the US. Obviously US laws don't apply to US agents either. Nice.

Actually that could simply be willful patriots, its not exactly complicated business.

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05 Dec 2010, 12:12 pm

I think if they keep messing with their hosting sites and money they should release the insurance file. :twisted: Hope it's not a bluff.

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05 Dec 2010, 2:55 pm

tons and tons of mirrors:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/79s9r1

some are not up to date though.

Actually, does anyone know how many stuff was released today? According to my internet, it is about 5 docs from Brazil, but it failed me in the past due to strange, agressive caching (I remember I didn't discover the most recent leaks (most from 3rd and all of the 4th) until the 4th's night for some reason.

edit: Yeah I was having issues.

Try as hard as possible to use wikileaks.ch as IPs and mirrors tend to have delays...

http://wikileaks.ch/reldate/2010-12-05_0.html

Many new stuff from Baghdad

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06 Dec 2010, 5:08 pm

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Even after the negotiations are over and settled? This is where I see temporary non-disclosure as being completely justifiable.

Yes, even after the negotiations are over. For one thing, agreements have shelf-lives, and must be renewed from time to time. How fair is it for the other party to come forward and say, "Well, you held back $1M from your mandate last time, so we want that on the table." At that point negotiations are about what the parties need but about the maximum that they can squeeze out of the other side.

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Individual's personal details should be protected under applicable privacy laws. I am thinking more in regards to general government documents, or in some cases documents relating to elected public officials (who largely forfeit their privacy by getting involved in politics).

Yes they should. But indiscriminate leaking tends to to erode those. Which is the higher principle?

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Take the Wikileaks documents. A number of them demonstrate what is indisputably criminal behavior. Much of it was unsurprising, but these documents provide a lot of evidence and proof of specific criminal acts. Allowing the government unilateral control over what documents it releases, and the extent to which they are censored pre-release, is tantamount to giving the defendant in a murder case sole discretion over what evidence will be allowed in court. It's preposterous and it makes a mockery of any claims that we have accountability in government.

Which is why an officer independent of the government, answerable to Parliament, should be responsible, with authorities comparable to the Auditor General. Further, Ministers' political staff should never be permitted to be involved in decisions about release of information.

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06 Dec 2010, 5:26 pm

ikorack wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

With so many documents to go through, maybe the 100 a day drop rate is just to keep from creating an epic TL;DR problem. 100 a day is enough for everyone to work through and analyse. It also allows them to check that they aren't dropping anyone in the sh**, as I understand they were supposed to be at least censoring out some names to stop the Taliban et al causing issues.

You're right though. All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men can't find Osama, or even get rid of the Taliban, but they have resources to waste to attack one man who is only doing what any news outlet would do. Clearly the security of the US is safe with them.... :roll:

And again, DDoS is a FEDERAL offence in the US. Obviously US laws don't apply to US agents either. Nice.

Actually that could simply be willful patriots, its not exactly complicated business.

Patriots. Agents. Idiots. A cretin by any other name would still be breaking the law, and its not as if the authorities are falling over themselves to find the culprit.

Besides which, of course its the bloody US government doing it. Try and find a "white hat" hacker who wouldn't want to read a bunch of leaked insider info. No such beast exists.

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06 Dec 2010, 9:34 pm

Macbeth wrote:

ikorack wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

I don't really trust them that much to make all of it available.

I just wish we would have the financial stuff released already...

With so many documents to go through, maybe the 100 a day drop rate is just to keep from creating an epic TL;DR problem. 100 a day is enough for everyone to work through and analyse. It also allows them to check that they aren't dropping anyone in the sh**, as I understand they were supposed to be at least censoring out some names to stop the Taliban et al causing issues.

You're right though. All the Kings Horses and All the Kings Men can't find Osama, or even get rid of the Taliban, but they have resources to waste to attack one man who is only doing what any news outlet would do. Clearly the security of the US is safe with them.... :roll:

And again, DDoS is a FEDERAL offence in the US. Obviously US laws don't apply to US agents either. Nice.

Actually that could simply be willful patriots, its not exactly complicated business.

Nonsense even hackers are susceptible to idiocy Macbeth. Besides your assuming wikileaks reported the IP's of the attackers to a police agency. Also DDoS is something within the realm of a script kiddy.

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