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02 Dec 2010, 10:19 am

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Sand - Looked up Bacon ['satiable curtiosity at work]. I can see why Margaret Thatcher [met her once] was put off. Looking at his stuff I can see he is saying something [I can NOT see that for all of them]. Not in my language, nor to my address, but the fact remains, and counts for something. I will have to ask my wife for an opinion. She parses emotive art.

Heard of Vasarely - him, yes, I can read.


Bacon is (or was) one of the masters, a fantastic artist who could chill you to the bone. Seeing his work gives you a hint of what it might be like encountering a superior intellect from an alien civilization.

If you like strange effects, Dali did a few paintings that made you look twice and Magritte is worth looking into. Google images is worth exploring for fractal art and Mandelbrot patterns.



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02 Dec 2010, 11:02 am

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If you like strange effects, Dali did a few paintings that made you look twice



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Crucified on a hypercube.


/Fox News would get it banned


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02 Dec 2010, 12:12 pm

That's not a hypercube. It's missing two cubes.

This is the painting I had in mind.

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02 Dec 2010, 12:25 pm

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That's not a hypercube. It's missing two cubes.



Eh, the name is Corpus Hypercubus.


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02 Dec 2010, 12:26 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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That's not a hypercube. It's missing two cubes.



Eh, the name is Corpus Hypercubus.


So Dali didn't know what a hypercube is.



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02 Dec 2010, 12:30 pm

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As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

@ skyfather84

Fox News does not receive taxpayer money, so you can't argue squat regarding them advocating religion.



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02 Dec 2010, 1:06 pm

I think Sand said it best and it bears repeating:

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What is highly ironic and somewhat funny is your exposure as someone who has not comprehended in the least the basic thrust of all art. It is not about beauty or being inoffensive. It is about arousing emotions and the stronger the emotions aroused the better the art. When somebody looks at a piece of art and is bored, that art has failed totally. The extraordinary emotional reaction you derive from this effort indicates it must be a very good piece of art indeed. What is fascinating is that the message has totally missed you. That a few innocent ants crawling over an unliving representation of Jesus is more offensive to you than the unfortunate and frequently unnecessary terrible suffering of living humans says a great deal about your values. And that a few of your pennies may have contributed to this visual scream at the insensitivity of Christians as well as a great many others at this awful suffering gives me some ground to feel contempt for your shallow and unfeeling and ignorant judgment of this artist's effort to open the eyes of the public.


There are indeed actual Christians who support this artist's work. They are able to see the grand hypocrisy of silencing those who suffer.



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02 Dec 2010, 1:20 pm

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Fox News does not receive taxpayer money, so you can't argue squat regarding them advocating religion.


They advocate religion in government and theistic influenced laws and actions which are subversive to the first amendment and basic American freedoms.


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02 Dec 2010, 1:21 pm

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There are indeed actual Christians who support this artist's work. They are able to see the grand hypocrisy of silencing those who suffer.


Did they know taxpayer money is involved, there are different rules taken into account when tax money is involved.



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02 Dec 2010, 1:25 pm

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Ban THAT!



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02 Dec 2010, 1:52 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

You already made up your mind that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. If you want to appear even the slightest bit objective you must provide specific examples of how the symbolism is meant to bash Christianity as a whole. Otherwise you look beyond arrogant trying to dictate what the artists intent must have been.



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02 Dec 2010, 1:58 pm

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

You already made up your mind that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. If you want to appear even the slightest bit objective you must provide specific examples of how the symbolism is meant to bash Christianity as a whole. Otherwise you look beyond arrogant trying to dictate what the artists intent must have been.


No, I actually read about and saw the thing before I posted about it. You realize I'm the one that started the topic.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

You already made up your mind that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. If you want to appear even the slightest bit objective you must provide specific examples of how the symbolism is meant to bash Christianity as a whole. Otherwise you look beyond arrogant trying to dictate what the artists intent must have been.


No, I actually read about and saw the thing before I posted about it. You realize I'm the one that started the topic.


You read about it and saw it from a source on the website of Fox News, which had already taken a stance on the subject. Can you prove you made up your own mind and came to your own conclusion, and you aren't just echoing what Fox says?



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02 Dec 2010, 2:09 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

You already made up your mind that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. If you want to appear even the slightest bit objective you must provide specific examples of how the symbolism is meant to bash Christianity as a whole. Otherwise you look beyond arrogant trying to dictate what the artists intent must have been.


No, I actually read about and saw the thing before I posted about it. You realize I'm the one that started the topic.


You read about the controversy, listened to what Sean Hannity had to say about it, and had your mind completely made up that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. Case closed.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:13 pm

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
As for speaking for a larger segment of the population, actually I can in this case. First it is known in psychology that ants or other insects crawling over what is the equivalent to a corpse causes revulsion in humans. It can cause people to feel ill and even vomit. The fact the corpse is 'Jesus' indicates that the piece was intended to be derogatory towards Christians in some way shape or form.


why do you believe it is impossible, that the artist is NOT dissing christ but is instead dissing the small-minded "piss-ant" [visual pun] literalists who have taken over the american church [christianity] and left it fodder for irrelevance and obsolescence?


You recall that I wasn't diagnosed with being on Spectrum until I started college. I normally have to tell people that I'm on the spectrum because I'm pretty good at passing as a neurotypical. I already thought of that possibility auntblabby and dismissed it based on the symbolism the artist chose. Symbols and meaning of images is something people in CG have to pay close attention to something artists are supposed to be trained about as well. If you were correct in your assessment, this artist is an idiot because he chose the worst symbolism possible. No, this was quite deliberately done to be as offensive as possible towards Christians. The setup of this work and what he chose almost suggests a pathological hatred towards Christians and Christianity in general.

You already made up your mind that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. If you want to appear even the slightest bit objective you must provide specific examples of how the symbolism is meant to bash Christianity as a whole. Otherwise you look beyond arrogant trying to dictate what the artists intent must have been.


No, I actually read about and saw the thing before I posted about it. You realize I'm the one that started the topic.


You read about the controversy, listened to what Sean Hannity had to say about it, and had your mind completely made up that it was an attack on your religion before you watched it. Case closed.


I saw Sean Hannity's piece on this AFTER I posted this. Your attempt to discredit me has failed.



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02 Dec 2010, 2:23 pm

The age old argument of "Only if we could pick and choose what our individual tax dollars went to..."

As example of misuse, it's not a very good one considering the exhibit is funded by private donors.

I can understand why some Christians might be offended... but it would be false to assert that is the intent of the art. It is meant symbolize the ravaging of AIDS.

Might it be in poor taste? Perhaps. I watched it and it would seem the intent was to express revulsion, not of Christianity, but of the silent suffering of victims of AIDS. The crucifix was in there because it the artist was from Latin America where Catholicism is very much ingrained into society.

A little understanding can go long ways, you know?

Yes, there have instances of intentional art made to offend Christians(Piss Christ for instance), unfortunately this is not one of them and the outrage being shown by conservatives over this is nothing short of their own knee-jerk reaction to anything that even appears critical of the Christian faith.

Besides, there are much better examples of tax money misuses(earmarks for dead end pet projects, bailouts of foreign banks, etc)... You know, things that actually matter?


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