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27 Jan 2011, 6:06 am

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It is only when you are in tune with The Creator when this is possible and the result is happiness and new found respect for life and everything that exists because of it.


Tuning in with The Creator? Sounds like New Age to me.


Sounds? Are your ears the foundation of truth? Have your ears been checked? Sometimes they can clog up, is what I am saying. Why don't you ask me some questions and find out about this so called Creator? How can the Creator sound new, if anything it sounds like Alpha. or is it Omega?



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27 Jan 2011, 6:07 am

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I already said that it isn't relevant. haha. No more hell talk. It does absolutely nothing to help the situation.

So you are saying that Christians aren't affected by suicide?


Why begin and end with Christians? Everyone is affected by suicide.



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27 Jan 2011, 6:20 am

SaNcheNuSS wrote:
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It is only when you are in tune with The Creator when this is possible and the result is happiness and new found respect for life and everything that exists because of it.


Tuning in with The Creator? Sounds like New Age to me.


Sounds? Are your ears the foundation of truth? Have your ears been checked? Sometimes they can clog up, is what I am saying. Why don't you ask me some questions and find out about this so called Creator? How can the Creator sound new, if anything it sounds like Alpha. or is it Omega?


Ok, fine. Who/what is the Creator? Don't tell me I am the Creator, lol.



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27 Jan 2011, 6:21 am

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Now you are arguing in circles. You have explicitly attempted to removed or play down the Christian view on suicide that is being put forward quite well by AngelRho. Now having been rebuked you are stating that AngelRho is attempting to insert his own view over the whole of the subject; which is ridiculous because he stated: 'The Christian viewpoint on suicide is relevant because even Christians are affected'.


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27 Jan 2011, 6:33 am

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Now you are arguing in circles. You have explicitly attempted to removed or play down the Christian view on suicide that is being put forward quite well by AngelRho. Now having been rebuked you are stating that AngelRho is attempting to insert his own view over the whole of the subject; which is ridiculous because he stated: 'The Christian viewpoint on suicide is relevant because even Christians are affected'.


What view? That they will go to hell if they kill themselves? We don't need that in here. You too. We don't need you to bring hellfire and condemnation. It is fruitless discussion. It is wrong. No one goes to hell for suicide.



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27 Jan 2011, 6:37 am

MCalavera wrote:
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It is only when you are in tune with The Creator when this is possible and the result is happiness and new found respect for life and everything that exists because of it.


Tuning in with The Creator? Sounds like New Age to me.


Sounds? Are your ears the foundation of truth? Have your ears been checked? Sometimes they can clog up, is what I am saying. Why don't you ask me some questions and find out about this so called Creator? How can the Creator sound new, if anything it sounds like Alpha. or is it Omega?


Ok, fine. Who/what is the Creator? Don't tell me I am the Creator, lol.


The answer to that question could go on forever. In simplistic terms, it is The Ultimate Universal Energy that brought us into existence. It is the Source. Where we, as energy beings, not bodies, come from.



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27 Jan 2011, 6:39 am

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AngelRho was agreeing with you and you rebuked him.


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27 Jan 2011, 6:44 am

I rebuke no one. What are you talking about? If you want to contribute to this thread do so in a positive manner. This isn't a playground. hahaha.



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27 Jan 2011, 6:51 am

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I rebuke no one. What are you talking about? If you want to contribute to this thread do so in a positive manner. This isn't a playground. hahaha.


Considering your statements on what can and cannot be discussed on here, what is and what is not the punishment for suicide and what is and what is not useful... all without any supporting argument, but by fiat alone. Please tell me what your beliefs are, so I might know what manner of absolutist I am talking to.


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27 Jan 2011, 7:37 am

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I rebuke no one. What are you talking about? If you want to contribute to this thread do so in a positive manner. This isn't a playground. hahaha.


Considering your statements on what can and cannot be discussed on here, what is and what is not the punishment for suicide and what is and what is not useful... all without any supporting argument, but by fiat alone. Please tell me what your beliefs are, so I might know what manner of absolutist I am talking to.


There is nothing beneficial that can come out of writing condemnation and hell. If you want that can be for another discussion but not in the suicide thread. There is no point.

I do not believe, I know. I know that there is an Ultimate Creator from which all existence originally came from, including our energy bodies. The one that is underneath your skin, that you may or may not be aware of. (*Consciously)



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27 Jan 2011, 7:40 am

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I do not believe, I know. I know that there is an Ultimate Creator from which all existence originally came from, including our energy bodies. The one that is underneath your skin, that you may or may not be aware of. (*Consciously)
You, my friend, are delusional. :roll:


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27 Jan 2011, 7:44 am

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You, my friend, are delusional. :roll:


Wow, AG's young turk brains trust produces another fantastic argument. :roll:


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27 Jan 2011, 7:45 am

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There is nothing beneficial that can come out of writing condemnation and hell. If you want that can be for another discussion but not in the suicide thread. There is no point.


Truth can be true even if it isn't benificial. Although the idea of a person being punished by a God that allowed them to be suicidal is BS.

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I do not believe, I know. I know that there is an Ultimate Creator from which all existence originally came from, including our energy bodies. The one that is underneath your skin, that you may or may not be aware of. (*Consciously)


Every Religious person "knows" they are right. What makes your Truth claims any more valid that theirs?


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27 Jan 2011, 10:20 am

SaNcheNuSS wrote:
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I already said that it isn't relevant. haha. No more hell talk. It does absolutely nothing to help the situation.

So you are saying that Christians aren't affected by suicide?


Why begin and end with Christians? Everyone is affected by suicide.

"Everyone is affected by suicide," your words as evidenced by the above. Does "everyone" include Christians? I like to think so.

I've already established that no one goes to hell for suicide, which you seem to agree with. You also keep asserting that hell doesn't exist.

Christians base their faith on the Bible. The New Testament teaches that there is a place in which the unbelieving continue to exist apart from the presence of God. In modern language, that place of eternal separation has come to be termed "hell," originally referred to as Gehenna to provide physical imagery of a burning trash-heap in describing what that place is like. Over time, and with the development of various sects or denominations, hell/Gehenna has come to be understood in various ways--some ways that are scriptural and some ways that are not.

Suicide, which as you say affects everyone, also affects Christians. Because of some of the things certain Christian groups believe about how grace is obtained and even lost, Christians can be deeply affected by suicide in severely profound ways. Therefore, Christian viewpoints regarding suicide are relevant.

And who said we're beginning and ending with Christians? I wasn't the first to bring it up. I merely explained that some Christian groups have doctrinal conflicts with suicide that don't match up with scripture. I also gave a perfectly logical way of assessing what suicide means to Christian believers. Also, I think you have PPR confused with "The Haven." If you want validation, that's the place for it. Suicide has religious and philosophical implications. If it's being discussed in PPR, then all religious views as well as secular views on suicide are relevant to the discussion.



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27 Jan 2011, 1:12 pm

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You, my friend, are delusional. :roll:


Wow, AG's young turk brains trust produces another fantastic argument. :roll:
No, seriously. Do you really need more arguments?


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28 Jan 2011, 9:09 pm

Suicide is an individual choice, but it negatively impacts other people. I think the hardships endured in life are part of the evolution of consciousness. I believe all actions by individuals can change the entire fractal of reality, and this is one of those things that changes it for the negative. Basically, were born with the gift of higher self reflection, and I see suicide as a waste of it. I'm not overly concerned about what other's think of me or how I think of myself, but the fact I can perceive time and space the way I do and relate myself to it. I think the little things are what matter and that human nature is screwed up, in large part, because we miss that. Were too concerned about our brief little lives to miss the larger picture present in the details, if that makes sense.