SaNcheNuSS wrote:
AngelRho wrote:
SaNcheNuSS wrote:
I already said that it isn't relevant. haha. No more hell talk. It does absolutely nothing to help the situation.
So you are saying that Christians aren't affected by suicide?
Why begin and end with Christians? Everyone is affected by suicide.
"Everyone is affected by suicide," your words as evidenced by the above. Does "everyone" include Christians? I like to think so.
I've already established that no one goes to hell for suicide, which you seem to agree with. You also keep asserting that hell doesn't exist.
Christians base their faith on the Bible. The New Testament teaches that there is a place in which the unbelieving continue to exist apart from the presence of God. In modern language, that place of eternal separation has come to be termed "hell," originally referred to as Gehenna to provide physical imagery of a burning trash-heap in describing what that place is like. Over time, and with the development of various sects or denominations, hell/Gehenna has come to be understood in various ways--some ways that are scriptural and some ways that are not.
Suicide, which as you say affects everyone, also affects Christians. Because of some of the things certain Christian groups believe about how grace is obtained and even lost, Christians can be deeply affected by suicide in severely profound ways. Therefore, Christian viewpoints regarding suicide are relevant.
And who said we're beginning and ending with Christians? I wasn't the first to bring it up. I merely explained that some Christian groups have doctrinal conflicts with suicide that don't match up with scripture. I also gave a perfectly logical way of assessing what suicide means to Christian believers. Also, I think you have PPR confused with "The Haven." If you want validation, that's the place for it. Suicide has religious and philosophical implications. If it's being discussed in PPR, then all religious views as well as secular views on suicide are relevant to the discussion.