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23 Feb 2011, 5:45 pm

leejosepho wrote:

I cannot find the post where you had first asked, "And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh."

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3400961.html#3400961

For whatever purpose this serves.

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23 Feb 2011, 5:52 pm

@'keet: I am going to pretend to be your opponent for just a few moments here ...

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Should accusations be left unanswered?

Where? In what setting?

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I don't normally spend a lot of time arguing with people about this but ...

Personally, I have found my own allegedly-rational mind can typically end up erroneously justifying wrong action.

I'm sorry for you.

Okay, so let us try your mind a bit to see whether it has a contrary side ...

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I don't normally spend a lot of time arguing ... but ...

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but: on the contrary; yet: My brother went, but I ...
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I plead Calvinism.

Honest questions: What is that, and how might that play into leading with the chin?

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

You know, I'm kinda getting tired of alliterations from the Bible being used as a pacifier.

Are you accusing me of something there or just in need of some discipleship?

**end of playtime as "opponent"**

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23 Feb 2011, 5:54 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

I cannot find the post where you had first asked, "And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh."

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp3400961.html#3400961

For whatever purpose this serves.

It serves saving me a lot of continued eye strain while scanning and missing it, and I thank you!

... and I have just now realized I could have used "Find" ... :oops:

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23 Feb 2011, 6:08 pm

Philologos wrote:

Butterflies - well a breath of fresh air - though your pup is too young to drink, I would say.

"My problem has never been with Christianity. It's with people who use it to justify nasty views. "

Where I was before my Christian days, where I am.

The nasty-viewed people [or is it nasty-viewing people?] don't need Christianity. They will reach for whatever is handy - democracy, Americanism, multiculturalism, peace, whatever - and turn it into a stock for their Green Monkey gun. The ones who poked at me on the assumption I was gay [all you had to be in those days was a bit weird and not visibly drooling over Playboy] had no Christian message. They were young enough not to NEED a theoretical excuse.

Anyway, one appreciates any absence of bashing.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:18 pm

As plagiarized by me so I do not get busted for cross-posting or whatever that might be called:

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The all-purpose MindYourOwnBusiness code:

1) Do not offend others by treating them the way they treat you;

2) Bite your lip if/when somebody else slips and breaks rule #1.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:19 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean?

What I keep hearing is that only one side of any debate upon the topic of homosexuality is allowed to provide their perspectives, at least from the former moderators DW and Lee it sounds like that. What is the official stance?

The funny thing is, I can cope with you posting your views on homosexuality. No matter how disgusting I think they are.
The problem that I had was that I didn't feel that I was free to fight back.
In my opinion, if you want to post views that can be seen as homophobic, then people who disagree with your views should be free to fight back. Sadly that has only resulted in edits from mods, and threats of legal action from you.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:21 pm

Butterflies wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean?

I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".

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23 Feb 2011, 6:25 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".

What do you mean by "latent?"

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23 Feb 2011, 6:26 pm

Butterflies wrote:

The problem that I had was that I didn't feel that I was free to fight back.

As when you came here trolling or do you mean at some other time somewhere else?

Butterflies wrote:

... people who disagree with your views should be free to fight back.

Please define your perception or view of "fight back", and please try to do so with this reflected:

Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.
Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

Butterflies wrote:

Sadly that has only resulted in edits from mods ...

Whoa! Said allegation is only against one since-retired mod, yours truly, a new friend as I see things, and those "edits" was only one, as I recall, turning alleged "idiots" back into "people".

Please, B'flies, please do not go back to all of that stuff above the line you had drawn as we all began anew.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:28 pm

If my two cents mean anything I think iamnotaparakeet should be allowed to voice his views on homosexuality. Free speech wins.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:28 pm

pandabear wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".

What do you mean by "latent?"

What do I mean? I don't have a meaning for it, it was the terminology of the I^2 group not mine.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:28 pm

leejosepho wrote:

As when you came here trolling or do you mean at some other time somewhere else?

And there you go inflaming a conversation that was coming to a peaceful resolution. I do not believe that there is any grounds for calling Butterflies a troll.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:33 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Butterflies wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean?

I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".

If you're that bothered about people insinuating that you may be a latent homosexual that you threaten to sue them, then surely it would have been better not to have got involved in a discussion about homosexuality in the first place.
Considering the things that you said about homosexuality, surely it must have been obvious to you that some people were going to make insinuations about your sexuality.
Surely you also understand that if you then go threatening to sue those people who make the insinuations, other people will find it funny and make more insinuations.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:34 pm

MidlifeAspie wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

As when you came here trolling or do you mean at some other time somewhere else?

And there you go inflaming a conversation that was coming to a peaceful resolution. I do not believe that there is any grounds for calling Butterflies a troll.

She has already voluntarily admitted that publicly here on WP ...

Your statement makes absolutely no sense!

I had only asked whether or not she was referring to the recent incident here.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:35 pm

Butterflies wrote:

Define "fight back". I don't see any of the mods (or anyone else here) having a problem with arguing with someone about their views on homosexuality, the problem comes with personally attacking them in order to "punish" them for their beliefs. There is a world of difference between arguing with someone over a personally held opinion and making suggestions about their own sexuality, impersonating them or people close to them in order to humiliate them, or otherwise taking actions solely designed to harm or cause duress to the other poster. Everyone has the right to their opinions, the right to pursue vendettas against people with whom we disagree is not so protected.

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23 Feb 2011, 6:36 pm

Butterflies wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Butterflies wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

MidlifeAspie wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

And now, from moderators, a call to unilateral censorship? Oy veh.

Would you mind expanding on what you mean?

I don't even care to be posting about my views on homosexuality, I just also don't care to have people insult me by calling me a "latent homosexual".

I didn't get into the conversation, Volodja brought it into one of my threads and just kept saying it similar to the character of Weston in C.S. Lewis' Perelandra in which Weston kept saying, "Ransom!" and when Ransom replied, Weston said "Nothing." and then a few moments later said "Ransom!" yet again, continuing this cycle ad infinitum.

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