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24 Apr 2011, 4:51 pm

Okay... if homosexuality is genetic, which, they have proven that it is... and if God made man, then God made homosexuality.

Why would God ban that which he/she/it created? If it is a sin then why did God only challenge certain people with it? And, if it is SO bad then why did he also confer the trait to other mammals? And why would the prostate confer such pleasure only if God wished to discourage the practice? Further temptation? Here is your body but do not enjoy it or you shall be lost to the kingdom of heaven forever...

I know what the books says but, admittedly, there were many many hands involved in the final proof of that book. And all of the text that denounce homosexuality occur in the old testament... Jesus never once implied that homosexuality was bad, or should be banned. In fact, part of the Gospel of Mark was removed becasue the wording of it implied a possible homosexual connection to Jesus. The original text still exists. There is no doubt that the 'final proof' of the Bible altered it. Jesus said 'love one another as I have loved you.' He didn't place any limiters or exclusions on that edict. He didn't say "... except homosexuals."



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24 Apr 2011, 9:23 pm

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All your contempt does is reinforce the barrier that prevents people from coming out. They would find it much easier to cut the crap out if they weren't ridiculed for being a hardcore homophobic that happens to be gay. And making a list of people still doesn't prove a correlation, cuz that's 10 people out of everyone who has ever came outta the closet. Bring some scientific facts to the table. And no, armchair psychoanalysis doesn't count. Face it, it's pop psych BS and it's foolish to believe in oversimplified crap like that that pertains to a topic as complex as homosexuality. Cut this crap out and they'll cut their crap out.
...Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

The controlled, published, physiological pubmed study doesn't count as 'scientific fact?' Care to elucidate just what you would accept as 'scientific fact'?
The gay men and women I know, if they were ever closeted, did not put off coming out of the closet because hypocrites like the ones I cited were outed; they put off coming out of the closet because of attitudes like those espoused by the hypocrites themselves before they were outed. The more we can do to shut those jerks up, the better it will be for everyone.
A scientific fact is a fact that has been scientifically proven, plain and simple. There hasn't been any consensus on the idea of homophobia being caused mainly by those in the closet who are projecting. And how can I claim something doesn't count as scientific fact if you haven't even mentioned it or sourced it?

And you know what would be better for everyone? If we didn't reinforce barriers that kept people in the closet. Then they won't have to shut up once they go from hurting the cause to supporting the cause.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:37 pm

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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:39 pm

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And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


Weak argument.


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24 Apr 2011, 9:44 pm

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And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


Weak argument.


There are already idiots running around claiming the Holocaust didn't happen, and there are still some Holocaust survivors that are alive or their children are still alive...



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24 Apr 2011, 9:51 pm

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And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


Weak argument.


There are already idiots running around claiming the Holocaust didn't happen, and there are still some Holocaust survivors that are alive or their children are still alive...


Here's the difference, Inuyasha, and do try to pay attention.

We have numerous records for both the holocaust and George Washington's life. The only references to Jesus outside of the bible... cite the Bible.

Hmm...


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24 Apr 2011, 9:55 pm

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And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


Weak argument.


There are already idiots running around claiming the Holocaust didn't happen, and there are still some Holocaust survivors that are alive or their children are still alive...


Here's the difference, Inuyasha, and do try to pay attention.

We have numerous records for both the holocaust and George Washington's life. The only references to Jesus outside of the bible... cite the Bible.

Hmm...


As you pointed out yourself, the age of the Bible, and there is something known as the Dark Ages. A lot of records were lost and/or destroyed, same thing can happen with the records of Washington until only a few things remain. Would they be considered fact a few hundred years from now? Hopefully yes, but you can't make a sweeping statement that it would for certain.



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24 Apr 2011, 9:57 pm

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As you pointed out yourself, the age of the Bible, and there is something known as the Dark Ages. A lot of records were lost and/or destroyed, same thing can happen with the records of Washington until only a few things remain. Would they be considered fact a few hundred years from now? Hopefully yes, but you can't make a sweeping statement that it would for certain.


Then please explain to me why there's a religious figure that bears remarkable similarities to Jesus... that predates Jesus' supposed life?


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24 Apr 2011, 10:00 pm

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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


That won't happen. The only evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible is a vague record about a guy getting executed by the Roman authorities. I don't even know if that is a true story. George Washington on the other hand, much like many Roman emperors and politicians (long before Jesus and after) has vast amounts of documentation supporting his existence, in addition to actual writing he himself did, letters he wrote, etc.


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24 Apr 2011, 10:02 pm

Vigilans wrote:
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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


That won't happen. The only evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible is a vague record about a guy getting executed by the Roman authorities. I don't even know if that is a true story. George Washington on the other hand, much like many Roman emperors and politicians (long before Jesus and after) has vast amounts of documentation supporting his existence, in addition to actual writing he himself did, letters he wrote, etc.


Let's not forget just how many people 2,000 years ago were crucified.


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24 Apr 2011, 10:06 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


That won't happen. The only evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible is a vague record about a guy getting executed by the Roman authorities. I don't even know if that is a true story. George Washington on the other hand, much like many Roman emperors and politicians (long before Jesus and after) has vast amounts of documentation supporting his existence, in addition to actual writing he himself did, letters he wrote, etc.


Let's not forget just how many people 2,000 years ago were crucified.


A lot, it was actually a common style of execution of slaves in ancient Rome.



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24 Apr 2011, 10:07 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


That won't happen. The only evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible is a vague record about a guy getting executed by the Roman authorities. I don't even know if that is a true story. George Washington on the other hand, much like many Roman emperors and politicians (long before Jesus and after) has vast amounts of documentation supporting his existence, in addition to actual writing he himself did, letters he wrote, etc.


Let's not forget just how many people 2,000 years ago were crucified.


Yep. It could have been anybody. But I think the reason the document was linked with Jesus is that it stated something along the lines of 'rabble-rousing Jew' or something. Like I said, I don't even know if the document is valid, or if its just some anecdotal story I heard or read about a long time ago


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24 Apr 2011, 10:09 pm

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Yep. It could have been anybody. But I think the reason the document was linked with Jesus is that it stated something along the lines of 'rabble-rousing Jew' or something. Like I said, I don't even know if the document is valid, or if its just some anecdotal story I heard or read about a long time ago


Right. The fact is, you cannot cite it because it's too vague, and you cannot cite the Bible as proof the Bible is truth.

So, Inuyasha, your argument is weak.


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Yep. It could have been anybody. But I think the reason the document was linked with Jesus is that it stated something along the lines of 'rabble-rousing Jew' or something. Like I said, I don't even know if the document is valid, or if its just some anecdotal story I heard or read about a long time ago


Right. The fact is, you cannot cite it because it's too vague, and you cannot cite the Bible as proof the Bible is truth.

So, Inuyasha, your argument is weak.


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Sorry Inuyasha... that's the best non-Bible source I can think of right now to help you out


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24 Apr 2011, 10:16 pm

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Making homophobes uncomfortable doesn't help em accept homosexuality or come to terms with it if they happen to be gay, it only makes homophobia worse. If you don't want em acting like children, then don't act like one yourself. Insinuating that they're secretly gay and making the problem worse is an immature way of dealing with it. It is self-defeating, petty, and reflects the shortsightedness of a child.

They're never going to accept homosexuality. I might as well get some laughs at them, because treating them as equals doesn't accomplish anything other then give them a sense of entitlement and credibility that they don't deserve. Making them uncomfortable by posting videos of Village People songs is not childish compared to viewing someone's preference in love and sexual partnership as a 'neurological impediment' because it goes against their interpretations of some 2,000 year old work of fiction


And maybe a thousand years from now people will look at George Washington and say he couldn't possibly have existed. Seriously, the Bible may have more truth in it than some people here are willing to admit.


That won't happen. The only evidence for Jesus outside of the Bible is a vague record about a guy getting executed by the Roman authorities. I don't even know if that is a true story. George Washington on the other hand, much like many Roman emperors and politicians (long before Jesus and after) has vast amounts of documentation supporting his existence, in addition to actual writing he himself did, letters he wrote, etc.


Let's not forget just how many people 2,000 years ago were crucified.


Yep. It could have been anybody. But I think the reason the document was linked with Jesus is that it stated something along the lines of 'rabble-rousing Jew' or something. Like I said, I don't even know if the document is valid, or if its just some anecdotal story I heard or read about a long time ago


Just because there isn't much to go on anymore, doesn't mean it didn't actually happen. Just cause there are no longer records of a man existing, an event happening, etc. doesn't mean that the man existed, or the events happened as stated in the Bible. To dismiss the Bible as fiction is the same mistake people made about the city of Troy (if I remember correctly there is evidence that the city of Troy did in fact exist).



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24 Apr 2011, 10:20 pm

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Just because there isn't much to go on anymore, doesn't mean it didn't actually happen. Just cause there are no longer records of a man existing, an event happening, etc. doesn't mean that the man existed, or the events happened as stated in the Bible. To dismiss the Bible as fiction is the same mistake people made about the city of Troy (if I remember correctly there is evidence that the city of Troy did in fact exist).


Just because you want the Bible to be true doesn't actually mean records proving it correct were destroyed.

See how that works?

Also, you cited the dark ages as an example of a time when these supposed records could have been destroyed. I have to wonder, since Christianity was the prevailing religion of the time... what would be the motivation for destroying them?


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