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30 May 2011, 5:18 pm

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Last I checked, we are not the same species as mice and monkeys.


Quite true. Humans and apes are both primates and both animals. There is nothing that special about being human. We eat, we f*ck, we sh*t, we die.

Just because we can talk about it has no cosmic significance.

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30 May 2011, 5:25 pm

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I call it killing because THAT is the normal and appropriate word in English used for the extinction of an animal life by an animal.


an unborn baby, whenever you want to define it as a baby (sentinent being) rather than a zygote (group of cells) is parasitic.

if you had a tapeworm i doubt you would use the word "extinction."

a pet peeve of mine - you're debating words rather than concepts. like statistics, you can find words to "correctly" support anything you want. and regardless of which ones you choose, you are no more correct than anyone else here, as like everyone else you're stating opinions.


There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.



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30 May 2011, 6:17 pm

benefit is subjective


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30 May 2011, 10:26 pm

katzefrau wrote:
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I call it killing because THAT is the normal and appropriate word in English used for the extinction of an animal life by an animal.


an unborn baby, whenever you want to define it as a baby (sentinent being) rather than a zygote (group of cells) is parasitic.

if you had a tapeworm i doubt you would use the word "extinction."

a pet peeve of mine - you're debating words rather than concepts. like statistics, you can find words to "correctly" support anything you want. and regardless of which ones you choose, you are no more correct than anyone else here, as like everyone else you're stating opinions.


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I have asked - I CONTINUE to ask - that people not deconstruct my words folding into them meaning I never intended.

I am NOT here stating my opinion as to the propriety in any given set of circumstances of abortion. I am NOT justifying or condemning any policy, choice or opinion. I AM asking that people talk straight.

Yes, little Johnny is a parasite before he is born and an encumbrance and nuisance for quite a while after and when he is grown he may beat up his father for kicks - I know one it happened to.

And yes I have killed mosquitos and I have taken steps to kill intestinal protozoans; I have killed mammals up through rodents and with my car have killed a few birds.

I am SICK and tired of people using words to make this or that policy or party look more or less attractive. I do not respect advertising or ANY propaganda [in the strict sense] other than dissemination of reliable data.



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30 May 2011, 11:38 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
katzefrau wrote:
Philologos wrote:
I call it killing because THAT is the normal and appropriate word in English used for the extinction of an animal life by an animal.


an unborn baby, whenever you want to define it as a baby (sentinent being) rather than a zygote (group of cells) is parasitic.

if you had a tapeworm i doubt you would use the word "extinction."

a pet peeve of mine - you're debating words rather than concepts. like statistics, you can find words to "correctly" support anything you want. and regardless of which ones you choose, you are no more correct than anyone else here, as like everyone else you're stating opinions.


There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.

So when a woman's genetic lineage would benefit by killing that offspring in order to support other offspring, as when she already has children or as when she needs to continue schooling so that she can better support offspring that will be born later, that zef becomes parasitic.



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30 May 2011, 11:48 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Last I checked, we are not the same species as mice and monkeys.
Exactly, so don't use features common to mice and monkeys to define a human.

kthxbye.


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31 May 2011, 12:40 am

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There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm.


yes there is. certainly.


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31 May 2011, 6:15 am

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There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.


I fail to see how this constitutes a symbiotic relationship. How exactly does it benefit me to know that bits of my DNA will live on after I'm dead? I've never understood this concept. Please, educate me because I find no rationale in this statement.



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31 May 2011, 6:21 am

Inuyasha wrote:
katzefrau wrote:
Philologos wrote:
I call it killing because THAT is the normal and appropriate word in English used for the extinction of an animal life by an animal.


an unborn baby, whenever you want to define it as a baby (sentinent being) rather than a zygote (group of cells) is parasitic.

if you had a tapeworm i doubt you would use the word "extinction."

a pet peeve of mine - you're debating words rather than concepts. like statistics, you can find words to "correctly" support anything you want. and regardless of which ones you choose, you are no more correct than anyone else here, as like everyone else you're stating opinions.


There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.


By that definition, women "benefit" from being raped during ovulation.

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A parasite subsists off the body or the will and efforts of another until severed, in this instance that dependence being a physiological one.




















That is, of course, aside from the fact that WOMEN BEING IN CONTROL OF THEIR REPRODUCTION *GIVES* THEM EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE.


I'm encountering a disturbingly-large portion of people who think evolution means having as many offspring as biologically possible,
regardless of homogenizing their gene pool, dilution of resources for any one child with the birth of another, and potentially destroying a woman's means to provide more adequately. Did we get our understanding of evolution from the Creation Museum?


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31 May 2011, 6:21 am

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There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.


That is sentimental rot. Biologically, the fetus is a parasite. It lives off of the mother's body and on balance is a peril to the mother's life. The value of our genetic lineage is in our imagination, not in our bodies. In point of fact, being pregnant lessens the mother's life expectancy since there is a rate of morbidity associated with being gravid and higher rate of morbidity with going to child birth. The statistics show that first trimester abortion is less hazardous than going to term. From a purely health view it is better if a women NEVER got pregnant and if she does get pregnant to get ride of the fetus as soon as she knows she is pregnant (first missed period).

The future has no present value. Your health would not be impacted one iota if the human race were to disappear 200 years from now. You aren't going to live that long anyway.

You really have to stretch and strain to defend your anti-abortion view. Doesn't it get tiring and cause aches and pains?

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31 May 2011, 7:22 am

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From a purely health view it is better if a women NEVER got pregnant and if she does get pregnant to get ride of the fetus as soon as she knows she is pregnant (first missed period).



There are actually normal home pregnancy (piss on a stick) tests that can detect the indicative hormones one week prior.

Don't ask why I know that. 8O


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31 May 2011, 8:52 am

Having babies reduces a woman's risk of several reproductive cancers, actually.



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31 May 2011, 9:11 am

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Having babies reduces a woman's risk of several reproductive cancers, actually.


That is true, but other hazards give childbirth a positive morbidity rate. Various kidney malfunctions, for example: eclampsia and pre-eclampsia. Also bleeding to death. In poor countries child-birth is very dangerous.

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31 May 2011, 10:51 am

In fact, it can be demonstrated that most people's health problems are seriously aggravated by the fact they were born in the first place.

Anybody researched the impact of pregnancy and childbirth on the father's health?



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31 May 2011, 11:39 am

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:

There is a pretty big difference between a baby and a tapeworm. A baby by definition can't be a parasite because the mother benefits from the baby since her genetic lineage is continued through the baby.


That is sentimental rot. Biologically, the fetus is a parasite. It lives off of the mother's body and on balance is a peril to the mother's life. The value of our genetic lineage is in our imagination, not in our bodies. In point of fact, being pregnant lessens the mother's life expectancy since there is a rate of morbidity associated with being gravid and higher rate of morbidity with going to child birth. The statistics show that first trimester abortion is less hazardous than going to term. From a purely health view it is better if a women NEVER got pregnant and if she does get pregnant to get ride of the fetus as soon as she knows she is pregnant (first missed period).

The future has no present value. Your health would not be impacted one iota if the human race were to disappear 200 years from now. You aren't going to live that long anyway.

You really have to stretch and strain to defend your anti-abortion view. Doesn't it get tiring and cause aches and pains?

ruveyn


I'm actually just getting disgusted with the progressively more twisted explanations being came up with as to why abortion is okay.



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31 May 2011, 1:05 pm

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