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31 Aug 2007, 6:28 am

Flagg wrote:
Quite simply, most of the mods here don't know how much they can exercise their authority without pissing off Alex and getting banned and most are already overworked.


Some of us knew PRECISELY what the limits were.
Almost intuitively.



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31 Aug 2007, 6:29 am

Hadron wrote:
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Starbuline was a good mod. :D

Calandale was a much better one, i suspect.


nah. She was probably better.



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02 Sep 2007, 7:08 pm

What if I were a mod?



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02 Sep 2007, 7:11 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


Who knows. The primary qualification,
as I see it, is tremendous restraint. There
are very few rules here, and those need to
be enforced with almost a feather touch. I
think the current group is doing pretty well,
in general.



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02 Sep 2007, 11:07 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


The five things a mod needs most

1. Emotional Control

Nope, you dont seem to show much of it.

2. Little/ No Bias

f**k it, nobody has this. Your just as qualified as anyone on this ground. (Well, your better qualified then a Holocaust Denier or Flat Earth society member so I was kinda wrong about that)

3. lots of free time

I have no idea since I am not your secretary.

4. Ability to "check" IPs with your own software.

Vital for sniffing out users using the TOR gateway and once again, I have no idea how much you know about computers.

5. Very Strong Force Of Will/Ability To Trust Ones Judgement

Dont know you that well so I have no idea

these are arranged in no particular order but 5,1,4,3,2 seems to be the right order

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02 Sep 2007, 11:36 pm

Agreed.
I believe that not everyone could do that job, not that easy.


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02 Sep 2007, 11:48 pm

greenblue wrote:
Agreed.
I believe that not everyone could do that job, not that easy.


The best mods tend to have dominating, controlled personalities and sometimes a cult of personality.

But there are exceptions to every rule.

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02 Sep 2007, 11:50 pm

Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


The five things a mod needs most

1. Emotional Control

Nope, you dont seem to show much of it.

2. Little/ No Bias

f**k it, nobody has this. Your just as qualified as anyone on this ground. (Well, your better qualified then a Holocaust Denier or Flat Earth society member so I was kinda wrong about that)

3. lots of free time

I have no idea since I am not your secretary.

4. Ability to "check" IPs with your own software.

Vital for sniffing out users using the TOR gateway and once again, I have no idea how much you know about computers.

5. Very Strong Force Of Will/Ability To Trust Ones Judgement

Dont know you that well so I have no idea

these are arranged in no particular order but 5,1,4,3,2 seems to be the right order

~ SHODAN, AI Goddess Gone Mad


I don't care so much to be a mod as I would to have the rules changed. They are very liberal bias. Also, it is stupid that you can attack people in large groups, just not if they're gay; but if they're Christian.... :? 8O



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02 Sep 2007, 11:56 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


The five things a mod needs most

1. Emotional Control

Nope, you dont seem to show much of it.

2. Little/ No Bias

f**k it, nobody has this. Your just as qualified as anyone on this ground. (Well, your better qualified then a Holocaust Denier or Flat Earth society member so I was kinda wrong about that)

3. lots of free time

I have no idea since I am not your secretary.

4. Ability to "check" IPs with your own software.

Vital for sniffing out users using the TOR gateway and once again, I have no idea how much you know about computers.

5. Very Strong Force Of Will/Ability To Trust Ones Judgement

Dont know you that well so I have no idea

these are arranged in no particular order but 5,1,4,3,2 seems to be the right order

~ SHODAN, AI Goddess Gone Mad


I don't care so much to be a mod as I would to have the rules changed. They are very liberal bias. Also, it is stupid that you can attack people in large groups, just not if they're gay; but if they're Christian.... :? 8O


How are you supposed to prove an idea wrong if you cannot attack it? Mumble words in latin? Summon a feral kitten horde?

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03 Sep 2007, 12:46 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


The five things a mod needs most

1. Emotional Control

Nope, you dont seem to show much of it.

2. Little/ No Bias

f**k it, nobody has this. Your just as qualified as anyone on this ground. (Well, your better qualified then a Holocaust Denier or Flat Earth society member so I was kinda wrong about that)

3. lots of free time

I have no idea since I am not your secretary.

4. Ability to "check" IPs with your own software.

Vital for sniffing out users using the TOR gateway and once again, I have no idea how much you know about computers.

5. Very Strong Force Of Will/Ability To Trust Ones Judgement

Dont know you that well so I have no idea

these are arranged in no particular order but 5,1,4,3,2 seems to be the right order

~ SHODAN, AI Goddess Gone Mad


I don't care so much to be a mod as I would to have the rules changed. They are very liberal bias. Also, it is stupid that you can attack people in large groups, just not if they're gay; but if they're Christian.... :? 8O



First, I take some issue with Flagg's statement. On point 2, while 'tis
a commendable attribute there ARE gradations here. Moreover, one
can subsume their beliefs to the point to the point where they are of
little danger to the site. My only really powerful bias is in favor of free
speech and discussion, which luckily coincides with Alex's stated views.
Which is a particularly nice stance to have, as one tends to do much
LESS, and thus has less chance of doing damage. A bad mod is FAR
worse than no moderation at all.

As to point 5, this is HORRIBLE. This is the "I am right, and I absolutely
know it" attitude. The one which makes one incapable of learning from
mistakes. Unfortunately, it seems that some of the mods here definitely
have fallen into this trap. Luckily (I hope) Alex is not among them, and
seems to tinker a bit with his style; be willing to see that he errs.

Now, as to your own agenda, sounds like you'd need to fund your
own site for that. The mods here do not make the rules (praise
to all that is good here). As a member, however, your input
should help maintain a balance against those (such as myself)
who believe that there are nearly no limits. I can only presume
that with such an agenda, you'd overmodderate (as others have),
in defense of your beliefs and perhaps friends.

I'd add another. A mod shouldn't have friends. Seriously.
It's too great a temptation. If that's too big a burden, they
should NEVER take action on issues effecting themselves
or their friends. Instead, bring the issue to other mods
attention, IF it is so important. This is really vital. Same
with arguments that you feel passionate about.



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03 Sep 2007, 1:00 am

Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Flagg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
What if I were a mod?


The five things a mod needs most

1. Emotional Control

Nope, you dont seem to show much of it.

2. Little/ No Bias

f**k it, nobody has this. Your just as qualified as anyone on this ground. (Well, your better qualified then a Holocaust Denier or Flat Earth society member so I was kinda wrong about that)

3. lots of free time

I have no idea since I am not your secretary.

4. Ability to "check" IPs with your own software.

Vital for sniffing out users using the TOR gateway and once again, I have no idea how much you know about computers.

5. Very Strong Force Of Will/Ability To Trust Ones Judgement

Dont know you that well so I have no idea

these are arranged in no particular order but 5,1,4,3,2 seems to be the right order

~ SHODAN, AI Goddess Gone Mad


I don't care so much to be a mod as I would to have the rules changed. They are very liberal bias. Also, it is stupid that you can attack people in large groups, just not if they're gay; but if they're Christian.... :? 8O


How are you supposed to prove an idea wrong if you cannot attack it? Mumble words in latin? Summon a feral kitten horde?

~ SHODAN, AI Goddess Gone Mad


Attacking an idea is way different than dissing a set of people.



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03 Sep 2007, 1:08 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Attacking an idea is way different than dissing a set of people.


This is correct. But, being in a set which claims that
people are going to suffer eternally is unlikely to endear
you to those people. Such claims, and I don't know if you've
made them - but other Christians here have, tend to destroy
the polite discourse which could otherwise have been.

Now, the fact that some are stating this as a matter of
fact (which is how they see it), and others see it as hate,
just muddies the issue. I think that I see a good deal of
the animosity which arises. And, where should the line
be drawn? Probably at the original instigators, but it not,
certainly those who are so bedeviled should have equivalent
rights to defend themselves. The main issue is that both groups
should avoid letting things break down into personal flame wars.
When they do, the instructions to the mods here were clear
enough - cut the whole pile out, and say nothing.



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03 Sep 2007, 1:18 am

I have seen my dad die in the middle of the living room, his eyes glossed over and no pulse, with my sister and mom with me. My mom and a friend from Church prayed over him and he came back to life, although he died again in the following night in VA hospital 3/31/1999 6:30 am. For me, my faith is a matter of fact.



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03 Sep 2007, 1:55 am

That may strengthen your belief in your god, and more power to you. It still is no defense for trying to push said beliefs on those of us that do not believe that way. Maybe there could be a touch of being naive there, who knows; but preaching at everyone every time you see an opposing opinion doesn't help your case. Some other Christians on the board pontificate as well, and maybe they have no excuse at all for doing so. If you want us to give your beliefs some credence, don't get so 'evangelic' and jump down our throats.


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03 Sep 2007, 2:00 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I have seen my dad die in the middle of the living room, his eyes glossed over and no pulse, with my sister and mom with me. My mom and a friend from Church prayed over him and he came back to life, although he died again in the following night in VA hospital 3/31/1999 6:30 am. For me, my faith is a matter of fact.


What was the exact listed cause of death?

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03 Sep 2007, 2:10 am

When? I'm not sure in the house, he just wasn't breathing and had no pulse. I checked and so did my mom. In the hospital he died of asphyxiation, surrounded by doctors he choked to death on his own phlegm. His organs, such as kidneys and liver, had died due to small cell cancer. It started in his lungs and spread throughout the rest of his body. One doctor was going to outright murder.. uh.. I mean euthanize him, but we didn't go for that. He had live eight months past when he was expected to die from the cancer. Instead of letting him live another day they let him die of something they could have solved. Doctors suck. :evil: