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09 Jul 2011, 7:30 am

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http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/cant-miss-moment-bristol-palin/17wl5ijrs?q=bristol+palin&rel=msn&from=en-us_msnhp&form=MSNRLL&gt1=42008

It turns out that Bristol Palin was *gasp* DRUNK when she first committed fornication, and she was under 17!

Per the Bible, Mama Grizzly really should have compelled that boy to marry her.

Pity poor Bristol. How is she ever going to find a decent man who will marry her, now?

They both really should have been stoned to death.

I THINK - though I am no expert - you were doing a better job faking being a Conservative than your current fake pseudo-literalist Christian. You don't really know enough.

Try this out on your Christian simulation: [I decided to go Douay this time instead of King Jimmy. I am nothing if not eclecgtic]:

AND Jesus went unto mount Olivet. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came to him, and sitting down he taught them. And the scribes and the Pharisees bring unto him a woman taken in adultery: and they set her in the midst, And said to him: Master, this woman was even now taken in adultery. Now Moses in the law commanded us to stone such a one. But what sayest thou? And this they said tempting him, that they might accuse him. But Jesus bowing himself down, wrote with his finger on the ground. When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again stooping down, he wrote on the ground. But they hearing this, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest. And Jesus alone remained, and the woman standing in the midst. Then Jesus lifting up himself, said to her: Woman, where are they that accused thee? Hath no man condemned thee? Who said: No man, Lord. And Jesus said: Neither will I condemn thee. Go, and now sin no more.

The woman who was caught in adultery, and not consequently condemned, did not go on to become a famous spokeswoman for adultery. We don't even know her name.

Miss Palin, on the other hand, is cashing in on her sin. Making beaucoup bucks for bragging about how she got drunk (at the age of 16 or less!! !) and committed fornication, not once, but multiple times!

For all we know, this harlot may be continuing to fornicate. She certainly hasn't formally renounced drunkenness and fornication.

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09 Jul 2011, 10:14 am

So - you are condemning a person on the basis of unfounded hypotheses.

Since you are into scriptural authority and base your life on the Bible, let me remind you:

Why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

Or are you the stone thrower free from all sin?

I fear you are choosing to toss scripture at people you disagree with, where we are commanded to judge ourselves, not others. You need to repent, I betcha.

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09 Jul 2011, 11:09 am

Religion needs to stay out of everything. I think it should be illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to attend church, i know it severly damaged my psyche because i wasnt mature and couldnt grasp anything the pastor was saying. Luckly now that i'm older and a bit wiser i've overcome that damage but still, it would have been more ideal if i never had to deal with that clutterfu-ck that is on sunday

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09 Jul 2011, 1:28 pm

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You are advocating doing away with the 1st Amendment.

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09 Jul 2011, 2:35 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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You are advocating doing away with the 1st Amendment.

or is he making sure the child has an actual free choice at adulthood?

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09 Jul 2011, 2:47 pm

Oodain wrote:

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You are advocating doing away with the 1st Amendment.

or is he making sure the child has an actual free choice at adulthood?

Advocating atheism be shoved down children's throats is not free choice.

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09 Jul 2011, 2:48 pm

Exactly, Oodain. and in an intresting twist of fate Inuyasha, the child doesnt have a first amendment right.
they have to do whatever thier dumb parents want them to do

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09 Jul 2011, 2:51 pm

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Exactly, Oodain . and in an intresting twist of fate Inuyasha, the child doesnt have a first amendment right they have to do whatever thier dumb parts want them to do

How about you look in the mirror, you claim religious folks are persecuting people and if you look at what you're doing objectively, you'd see you are being a hypocrit. Are you spouting off the state is mother the state father.

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09 Jul 2011, 2:53 pm

I'm not telling anyone there going to hell because they dont believe anything I say. so no, i'm not a hypocrite
and i certainly wouldnt tell a child anything like that to damage thier growing mind

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09 Jul 2011, 3:52 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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Inuyasha wrote:

richardbenson wrote:

You are advocating doing away with the 1st Amendment.

or is he making sure the child has an actual free choice at adulthood?

Advocating atheism be shoved down children's throats is not free choice.

no it shouldnt, i think religious matters shoulnt be discussed untill the age where they have a chance at understanding something,not from when they understand nothing and base all further understanding on that.
giving them a free choice and a chance to understand what they are choosing.

in reality it is nothing that should be legislated but i think continous religious coercion sometimes seen in fundementalist families can be classified as child abuse,
if a child at age 10 shows no interest in religion their parents shouldnt force it upon them one way or the other.

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09 Jul 2011, 4:03 pm

It should be allowed to shove atheism down on kids the same way it is allowed to do that with Church ideology. Ie: If we have veggie tales, why couldn't there be athie tales?

Making church illegal for people younger than 18 years old though is not shoving atheism on kids. Is making parents unable to use their constitutional right.

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09 Jul 2011, 9:30 pm

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Considering the Department of Education actively tries to push Atheism onto students actually it is shoving atheism onto kids, in addition to denying parents their constitutional rights.

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09 Jul 2011, 9:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

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Considering the Department of Education actively tries to push Atheism onto students actually it is shoving atheism onto kids, in addition to denying parents their constitutional rights.

Ah, yes. That dirty word: EVOLUTION

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09 Jul 2011, 9:36 pm

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Considering the Department of Education actively tries to push Atheism onto students actually it is shoving atheism onto kids, in addition to denying parents their constitutional rights.

How is the DOE imposing Atheism, when all they are really trying to do is impose a competitive level of practical education, especially in the sciences?

Science =\= Atheism

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09 Jul 2011, 9:50 pm

Fnord wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Considering the Department of Education actively tries to push Atheism onto students actually it is shoving atheism onto kids, in addition to denying parents their constitutional rights.

How is the DOE imposing Atheism, when all they are really trying to do is impose a competitive level of practical education, especially in the sciences?

Science =\= Atheism

Teaching that Christianity is completely bad without mentioning the good things Christianity has does equal preaching atheism, the same is true about bashing Jewish people (though they have the advantage of being able to call people out as being anti-semetic).

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09 Jul 2011, 9:51 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Considering the Department of Education actively tries to push Atheism onto students actually it is shoving atheism onto kids, in addition to denying parents their constitutional rights.

How is the DOE imposing Atheism, when all they are really trying to do is impose a competitive level of practical education, especially in the sciences?

Science =\= Atheism

Did Glenn Beck tell you this?

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