Why don't people take UFOs and ancient astronauts seriously?

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I may have quoted wrong, because, according to this map, the distance from the city to the Cachicatta quarry looks over 30 miles, not 20. The maps also give info on changes in elevation, so you can see where the steep parts are for yourself.

http://www.inkanatura.com/inca_quarry_t ... ta_map.asp

I'd post the maps directly, but they're split up into multiple parts which makes pasting hard.

Well, it's actually quite a distance between Peru and the Yucatan, but it's not outside the realm of possibilities that they maintained a fair amount of communication. At one point their ancestors had to get to the places to colonize them, but if they forgot about their somewhat distant neighbors they may have been out of contact for a while. At the time of the conquest of Cortez, it was the Aztec Empire that had control of most of the area around the Yucatan, and they were more interested in conquest, cannibalism, and ripping peoples hearts out as a sacrifice to their idol which name translates into "the black mirror that smokes" if I remember correctly. The Mayans had recorded the periods of the planets that they could see and had a base 20 number system which Feynman decoded, but around the time of the Spanish conquest a lot of people would be more caught up with war between themselves and the Aztecs and the Aztecs and the Spaniards than focusing on more intellectual endeavors - which is kinda why a war on one's nation mainland is rather devastating.

I believe you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church, but didn't one of the members of that very Church invent the Cyrillic alphabet for them so that they'd have a written language?

Oh, I'm talking about European culture in general in the middle ages. Most people were illiterate, so a lot of the public buildings and monuments had little to no writing on them since it was irrelevant to most people. Also, books were a lot rarer and more expensive to produce.

I'm just saying, hypothetically, if one of those middle age cultures collapsed in a similar way to how Machu Pichu collapsed, there wouldn't have been much evidence for them possessing a written language or a knowledge of Euclidean geometry 500 years after the fact since only a small elite had a very limited number of documents written on organic parchments that would have degraded away in little to no time. An advanced cathedrals left behind would be something of a puzzle to researchers who couldn't find any evidence of a written language on any of the stone monuments.

Relative to Egypt they're pretty close, but the 2000 miles of distance or whatever it is from the Yucatan to Peru would only make communication a lot harder during times of war. The upheaval in the region by the Aztecs probably did contribute to the lost knowledge base in the Andes. The black mirror that smokes? That sounds psychotic.

This thread seems to have taken a turn away from debating whether ancient cutlures got alien help with their achievements. That's a good thing, I think. We should be able to discuss how little we know about some aspects of ancient cultures without jumping to the conclusion that they must have been helped by aliens, otherwise they couldn't have done it. The physical degradation of evidence is explanation enough.

The Incas used a system of knotted strings to record information called quilpas. Human runners carried these strings and acted as couriers on the Incan road system conveying verbal messages with the knots as reminders.

But one non scholar posted pictures of Incan metal artifacts which have "decorative" engravings which to him ( and me) look like writing on www.anomalies_unlimited.com

Not only do the squiggly etchings look like writing, but to me they resemble knotted strings as if both the strings and the markings are part of the same writing system.

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Link doesn't work for me.

It's shear bigotry to assume that any culture less primitive than our current culture(s) would never have progressed, or even made it on their own without outside help.

Presumptuousness.

According to ancient astronauts people, we got our tech (computers, rockets) from the Nazis, and the Nazis got it from aliens.

That too!

As with the existence of 'deities' there is not enough concrete proof logically and scientifically to say we have actually had alien visitors.

Although there is a possibility that in space a plethora of them exist.

If they are smart enough to have interstellar or even FTL/Hyperspace/Wormhole/Dimensional/Tesseract travel, then they are smart enough to not leave evidence of coming here.

Who wants to be attacked by the primitive Terran apes who claim civilization but instead are little more than beasts with a thin veneer of society.

Try it with an s on the end of "anomalies".

Or just google "Incan writing" and look around - youll see it.

Basically the technology of space travel means nuclear propulsion which means the technology to blow ourselves up into extinction.

The Bible story about the Tower of Babel talks about a tower that ascends up to heaven but we know today that no fixed tower can ever be tall enough to reach the heavens for this requires a nuclear powered rocket. And the story implies that the technology will become so advanced that nothing will be impossible. So different languages were introduced to slow down technological progress. Also cut stones were not used to build the tower but rather a process was invented to bake bricks. This could have been alluding to the technology of steel forging. Some scholors have even suggested that some of the Hebrew words in the origianal story may have alluded to nuclear fissioning.

Although the story of the Tower of Babel is vague possible explanations for it ambiguity are that primitive people could only describe advanced technology in concepts that they could understand and that it would be too dangerous to inflame the suicidal technological imagination of men if the text were more descriptive.

Even in modern times we call tall buildings skyscrapers. To a bronze age dude a Zaggarat 500 feet tall "would reach the heavens". In those days a mud brick building two stories tall would have been considered high.

ruveyn

So if all the Babylonians were doing was building a pyramid why would this be a threat to God? God should have laughed when he saw those primitive apes trying to build a tower high enough to reach into the heavens. Why did the Bible describe the Tower of Babel as this big technological breakthrough of the impossible?

Well, what's more likely? They were exaggerating and creating a myth? Or that they had nuclear powered rockets?

You work on that.