Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 10:02 pm
13 Aug 2011, 10:11 pm
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 10:20 pm
13 Aug 2011, 10:26 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
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In my opinion though, those found to be ablest bodied to work by the most hard hearted conservatives may in fact not be able bodied - or may in fact have a psychological or developmental disorder. Right wing politics have become so intertwined in plans to sort "the wheat from the shaft," that virtually no one's benefits would be safe. Scott Walker's plans for drug testing the recipients of benefits in Florida is actually driven more by politics than it is in the name of law and order. I see more of conservative vindictiveness in these so called reforms, based on the assumption that the poor are getting a free ride.
It’s “wheat from the chaff”, not “wheat from the shaft”.
Just thought I’d point that out………..
Raptor
A hard hearted conservative.
13 Aug 2011, 10:32 pm
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 10:38 pm
13 Aug 2011, 10:40 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, I'm glad that you're not homeless anymore. My wife had been homeless for a short while, years before we had met, and from the fact that she often still talks about it tells me that such an experience must truly have been traumatic for her.
Best wishes to your wife! It's losing every form of security you ever thought you had - complete abandonment by friends, family, and relatives. My heart (and financial support) goes out to victims of disasters like Katrina and the Fukusaki earthquake and tsunami, because of what I remember from that time.
Kraichgauer wrote:
As for poor people screwing over "the man," we all know it happens, but not nearly as often as people like to believe.
Maybe ... it does happen often enough to result in about a thousand or so anonymous tips per month to law-enforcement. The Los Angeles Times reported in 2010 that about twenty-four percent of new welfare applications in San Diego County were based on some form of deliberate fraud. However, this statistic may actually be lower. The US Department of Labor reported that 1.9% of the total Unemployment Insurance payments for 2001 was attributable to fraud or abuse within the UI program. The Department of Labor expects that as many as 40 states will require federal loans in fiscal 2013, with borrowing totaling $93 billion. This translates into $1,767,000,000
(I'm sorry for the mis-match in years, but it's the best I can do on short notice.)
Even if the actual amount was half of this value, that's still about $500,000,000 that could have gone toward education, infrastructure, public safety, and the like.
The percentage of fraud may seem small, but when translated into dollars ...
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 10:41 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
It’s “wheat from the chaff”, not “wheat from the shaft”.
Just thought I’d point that out………..
Raptor
A hard hearted conservative.
Quote:
In my opinion though, those found to be ablest bodied to work by the most hard hearted conservatives may in fact not be able bodied - or may in fact have a psychological or developmental disorder. Right wing politics have become so intertwined in plans to sort "the wheat from the shaft," that virtually no one's benefits would be safe. Scott Walker's plans for drug testing the recipients of benefits in Florida is actually driven more by politics than it is in the name of law and order. I see more of conservative vindictiveness in these so called reforms, based on the assumption that the poor are getting a free ride.
It’s “wheat from the chaff”, not “wheat from the shaft”.
Just thought I’d point that out………..
Raptor
A hard hearted conservative.
Being that you're obviously versed in the bible enough to correct me on chaff and wheat, how is it you can take pride in being a hard hearted conservative?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Aug 2011, 10:48 pm
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 10:49 pm
Fnord wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Well, I'm glad that you're not homeless anymore. My wife had been homeless for a short while, years before we had met, and from the fact that she often still talks about it tells me that such an experience must truly have been traumatic for her.
Best wishes to your wife! It's losing every form of security you ever thought you had - complete abandonment by friends, family, and relatives. My heart (and financial support) goes out to victims of disasters like Katrina and the Fukusaki earthquake and tsunami, because of what I remember from that time.
Kraichgauer wrote:
As for poor people screwing over "the man," we all know it happens, but not nearly as often as people like to believe.
Maybe ... it does happen often enough to result in about a thousand or so anonymous tips per month to law-enforcement. The Los Angeles Times reported in 2010 that about twenty-four percent of new welfare applications in San Diego County were based on some form of deliberate fraud. However, this statistic may actually be lower. The US Department of Labor reported that 1.9% of the total Unemployment Insurance payments for 2001 was attributable to fraud or abuse within the UI program. The Department of Labor expects that as many as 40 states will require federal loans in fiscal 2013, with borrowing totaling $93 billion. This translates into $1,767,000,000
(I'm sorry for the mis-match in years, but it's the best I can do on short notice.)
Even if the actual amount was half of this value, that's still about $500,000,000 that could have gone toward education, infrastructure, public safety, and the like.
The percentage of fraud may seem small, but when translated into dollars ...
My wife had been kicked out of her home by her first husband - who had been cheating on her! She had to live in a homeless shelter for a time, and became dependent on people who she thought were friends, but were anything but. Luckily, she got back on her feet, and I met her soon after.
As for the seemingly vast numbers of people committing welfare fraud - well, just think of the many more people who actually have legitimate claims. I would think they far outnumber the liars and cheaters.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Aug 2011, 10:50 pm
13 Aug 2011, 10:54 pm
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
13 Aug 2011, 11:13 pm
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
13 Aug 2011, 11:17 pm
Kraichgauer
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13 Aug 2011, 11:23 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
And by the way, no matter how much wealthy individuals give to charity, there are limits, and so someone - a lot of someones most likely - will be left out. Programs financed by regular taxation will always be able to serve the public.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
13 Aug 2011, 11:25 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
blunnet wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
How can anyone with AS be a conservative? The same reasons that an NT can be one.
Lack of empathy (ruveyn) and brains (rather not say)
Yeah liberals are generous to the poor with other people's money, sorry but that's not compassion, that's stealing.
Conservatives are generous to the poor with their own money, which they choose to donate, that is real compassion.
Taxation is theft, huh? So, the Pentagon is stealing people's money for national defense by your way of thinking. I know your answer, so I'll say it for you: no, it isn't. But neither are social programs that are financed by taxation, as there is a legitimate national interest at hand.
National Defense is a responsibility of the Federal Government and a legitimate item to collect taxes on.
Kraichgauer wrote:
And by the way, no matter how much wealthy individuals give to charity, there are limits, and so someone - a lot of someones most likely - will be left out. Programs financed by regular taxation will always be able to serve the public.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Yes we saw how effective the emergency agencies ran by the Federal Government were in the Gulf Oil Spill, they were actually interfering with clean up operations, not helping.
