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05 Sep 2011, 1:22 am

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The usual waiting time for donating RBCs is 6 weeks. I've never donated straight plasma because the idea of putting the blood back in after it's out really freaks me out.

It's longer here. Something like 3-4 months, I think. Heck, it's 8 weeks between whole blood donations.

Putting the blood back in is quite unsettling the first time they do it. It feels like they're shooting it back in the wrong direction, and I swear it's colder when they return it. But you get used to it. I would still rather they just kept the extra- they have, at various times, had me donate every component of blood, so I know they need all of it, and the amount they generally take is not enough to have any discernible effect on me, so taking a little bit more wouldn't bother me.

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05 Sep 2011, 3:34 am

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You are certainly deprived of your freedom if you are incarcerated. You may even be forced to work.

If one wishes to eat then he will have to work.

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05 Sep 2011, 4:25 am

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Any idiot can say "One recent study". In fact, one recent study has proven that most people who say "one recent study" without a citation are making it up.

I think you may just be making this up, since you don't bother to give a citation. However, given the nature of your point, you just making it up would actually be evidence for your assertion....

The once or twice I gave blood was in the military. Not mandatory, they just supported it by letting people know it was happening and letting people go during working hours. They only asked for it a couple of times in the decade I was in, and I've never been asked to donate blood by anyone else under any circumstances, ever. When they did ask on a military base, they got a pretty big response.

I'm still wondering how bad handwriting could kill people. (Oh, no! I wrote a 'z' backwards! Quick, somebody call an ambulance, I feel - *urk*)

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05 Sep 2011, 5:07 am

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I'm still wondering how bad handwriting could kill people. (Oh, no! I wrote a 'z' backwards! Quick, somebody call an ambulance, I feel - *urk*)

I can see how, have you seen how horrible a doctor's handwriting can be? Some drugs have similar names and could result in the chemist giving you the wrong medicine with potentially lethal consequences for instance.

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05 Sep 2011, 9:15 am

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I'm still wondering how bad handwriting could kill people. (Oh, no! I wrote a 'z' backwards! Quick, somebody call an ambulance, I feel - *urk*)

Bingo. Physicians scrawl an illegible prescription, the pharmacist hands someone the wrong bottle of pills, and problems ensue. That kills over 7000 Americans every year, and is such a simple and cheap problem to solve- just compel physicians to do this stuff on a computer.

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05 Sep 2011, 9:59 am

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More and more physicians are going over to computer generated perscriptions. A few tort-lawsuits against the bad consequences physician scrawl might promote the process. Also pharmacists should check with the doctor if there is any doubt. The thing can be managed without passing a special law and creating yet another government agency to oversee the handwriting of physicians.

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05 Sep 2011, 10:46 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Well, to be fair, the term "compel" doesn't necessarily refer to government action. Market forces can be compelling. Although, I do suspect that Orwell did mean legislation, and I do suspect that proper incentives could be easily put in place without legislation.

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05 Sep 2011, 11:07 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

That is true. For example the companies who sell physicians malpractice insurance can make as a condition to be insured that the doctor must use computerized subscription output. That is an economic incentive and not an accursed government decree.

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05 Sep 2011, 1:19 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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Yes, I meant legislation. 7000 utterly needless deaths every year is far too many. And there are benefits to dealing with prescriptions electronically beyond just avoiding this issue.

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05 Sep 2011, 1:32 pm

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Yes, I meant legislation. 7000 utterly needless deaths every year is far too many. And there are benefits to dealing with prescriptions electronically beyond just avoiding this issue.

The problem is already being fixed without the need for legislation - as most problems would be if legislation didn't interfere.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article ... 74,00.html

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05 Sep 2011, 1:32 pm

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Yes, I meant legislation. 7000 utterly needless deaths every year is far too many. And there are benefits to dealing with prescriptions electronically beyond just avoiding this issue.

Having the firms that provide malpractice insurance "lay down the law" would accomplish your goal. It is in the interests of these companies, not to have so many suits that they have to pay for the awards. It is in the interests of the doctors, who I presume want to help their patients. And most important of all it is in the interest of the patients to have their medical prescriptions correctly interpreted at the drug store.

If a law is passed, then it must be enforced and we all know just how good government is at enforcing the laws.

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06 Sep 2011, 8:42 am

I do not care to do so with a dead body because I'll never be a dead body.

A corpse does not speak or write or think or breathe or have a conscience. If these things occur, that body would not be a cadaver.

Therefore I do not care what they do with this body because this case does not affect me.

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06 Sep 2011, 10:15 am

ephestia wrote:

That body was once the property of the person who lived in it. It seems that person has the right to dispose of his husk and can make arrangements while alive. If not, his next of kin are the rightful recipient of the remains and they may dispose of them as they see fit. Our bodies are our property, not the State's property, not society's property.

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06 Sep 2011, 11:36 am

When I die , my body will become my family's property.

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