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02 Oct 2011, 7:18 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Oct 2011, 7:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.



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02 Oct 2011, 7:36 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.


So... all those people working for the Motor Vehicles Department, the post office, the police force, fire department, and the armed services, just to name a few examples, aren't really getting paid? Geez, I've got to hand it to them for all their volunteer work! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Oct 2011, 7:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.


So... all those people working for the Motor Vehicles Department, the post office, the police force, fire department, and the armed services, just to name a few examples, aren't really getting paid? Geez, I've got to hand it to them for all their volunteer work! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'm not talking about the Military (police and fire departments are local level not National). I'm talking about all the pencil pushing self-important bureaucrats, that are coming up with idiotic regulations.



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02 Oct 2011, 8:05 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.


So... all those people working for the Motor Vehicles Department, the post office, the police force, fire department, and the armed services, just to name a few examples, aren't really getting paid? Geez, I've got to hand it to them for all their volunteer work! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'm not talking about the Military (police and fire departments are local level not National). I'm talking about all the pencil pushing self-important bureaucrats, that are coming up with idiotic regulations.


No, actually you were telling me how the government doesn't create jobs, while I provided you with examples of how it can. Then you brought up bureaucrats coming up with those terrible regulations that keep us from dying from poisoned food, water, or air.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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02 Oct 2011, 8:09 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.


So... all those people working for the Motor Vehicles Department, the post office, the police force, fire department, and the armed services, just to name a few examples, aren't really getting paid? Geez, I've got to hand it to them for all their volunteer work! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'm not talking about the Military (police and fire departments are local level not National). I'm talking about all the pencil pushing self-important bureaucrats, that are coming up with idiotic regulations.


No, actually you were telling me how the government doesn't create jobs, while I provided you with examples of how it can. Then you brought up bureaucrats coming up with those terrible regulations that keep us from dying from poisoned food, water, or air.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.



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02 Oct 2011, 8:43 pm

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While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations,

A fear that is unrealistic in the US.


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02 Oct 2011, 9:34 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Don't be fooled, he's presently crying


Actually my feelings weren't hurt at all, I know that he doesn't understand how it proved my point, just like you don't if you really don't want to know how it proved my point doesn't bother me one way or the other.


That is a very, very interesting sentence


Yes I agree with this statement 8)


Btw, tax cuts actually did cause an increase in Government Revenue.

Before people start yelling about the Bush Tax Cuts, people should look at the dates as to when the Tax Cuts were enacted, which was 2003. You can't claim that Bush's tax cuts were responsible for a decline in revenue that occurred two years before the tax cuts were enacted.


But Bush's tax cuts have certainly made things worse.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Housing Crisis caused the problem, not the Bush tax cuts.


Still even if that were true, those tax cuts certainly didn't help.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the tax cuts becoming law in 2003 saw government revenue's decline leveled out and then started to increase 2005 and 2006, we just saw things level off in 2007 which correlates with the start of the Housing Crisis.

Raising taxes is the same action that caused a Recession to turn into the Great Depression of the 1930s during President Hoover's administration.


Things were actually going to hell prior to that. Hoover in the end had tried to stave off the depression by raising taxes when he realized that things wouldn't just get better on their own. But it was too little, too late.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually things probably would have rebounded a lot sooner if he didn't raise taxes. Government doesn't create jobs (barring a major war), the private sector creates jobs, and they can't create jobs when they are having all their income being taken away by Government.


So... all those people working for the Motor Vehicles Department, the post office, the police force, fire department, and the armed services, just to name a few examples, aren't really getting paid? Geez, I've got to hand it to them for all their volunteer work! :P

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'm not talking about the Military (police and fire departments are local level not National). I'm talking about all the pencil pushing self-important bureaucrats, that are coming up with idiotic regulations.


No, actually you were telling me how the government doesn't create jobs, while I provided you with examples of how it can. Then you brought up bureaucrats coming up with those terrible regulations that keep us from dying from poisoned food, water, or air.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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03 Oct 2011, 12:03 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the regulation probably exists to protect large brokerage firms from small ones becoming serious competitors.



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03 Oct 2011, 2:03 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the regulation probably exists to protect large brokerage firms from small ones becoming serious competitors.


What evidence do you have to support that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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03 Oct 2011, 2:06 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the regulation probably exists to protect large brokerage firms from small ones becoming serious competitors.


What evidence do you have to support that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A CEO recently told Congress about how he was fined for hiring too many people: “I incurred more than $500,000 in legal bills to mitigate a more severe regulatory outcome as a result of hiring too many workers. I have also been prohibited from opening up additional offices. I had a major expansion plan that would have resulted in my creating hundreds of additional jobs. Regulations have forced me to put those jobs on hold.” The testimony from the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital illustrates that “job-killing” regulations are a reality, not just a conservative talking point.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Feds Fine CEO for Creating Jobs - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/scotus-in-washi ... z1ZkO5wmva



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03 Oct 2011, 2:18 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the regulation probably exists to protect large brokerage firms from small ones becoming serious competitors.


What evidence do you have to support that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A CEO recently told Congress about how he was fined for hiring too many people: “I incurred more than $500,000 in legal bills to mitigate a more severe regulatory outcome as a result of hiring too many workers. I have also been prohibited from opening up additional offices. I had a major expansion plan that would have resulted in my creating hundreds of additional jobs. Regulations have forced me to put those jobs on hold.” The testimony from the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital illustrates that “job-killing” regulations are a reality, not just a conservative talking point.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Feds Fine CEO for Creating Jobs - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/scotus-in-washi ... z1ZkO5wmva


Most of the regulations that conservatives and their corporate masters are bitching about are environmental protection, food protection, and even airline protection. Now, as far as that last one is concerned, I've never flown before, but if I ever do, I'd like my first flight to not be my last!

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03 Oct 2011, 2:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
While some regulations are a good thing, there is such thing as too many regulations, liking telling a brokerage firm that they have too many brokers when they have a sudden influx of new clients.


While such a regulation may seem foolish on the face of it, you have to ask if there's a specific reason for it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually the regulation probably exists to protect large brokerage firms from small ones becoming serious competitors.


What evidence do you have to support that?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


A CEO recently told Congress about how he was fined for hiring too many people: “I incurred more than $500,000 in legal bills to mitigate a more severe regulatory outcome as a result of hiring too many workers. I have also been prohibited from opening up additional offices. I had a major expansion plan that would have resulted in my creating hundreds of additional jobs. Regulations have forced me to put those jobs on hold.” The testimony from the CEO of Euro Pacific Capital illustrates that “job-killing” regulations are a reality, not just a conservative talking point.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Feds Fine CEO for Creating Jobs - Washington DC SCOTUS | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/scotus-in-washi ... z1ZkO5wmva


Most of the regulations that conservatives and their corporate masters are bitching about are environmental protection, food protection, and even airline protection. Now, as far as that last one is concerned, I've never flown before, but if I ever do, I'd like my first flight to not be my last!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


How is that related to the CEO in the article I sourced?



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03 Oct 2011, 3:10 pm

No and I don't feel like talking about why.



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03 Oct 2011, 3:21 pm

This idea that american corporations need to be free to abuse their employees just as badly as chinese companies are in order to be profitable is not only wrong, it's offensive.



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03 Oct 2011, 3:32 pm

Their are two types of rich people in the world.

One type is the rich person who gives back to the community by donating to chartiy and does Humanitarian work like Bill Gates who I have a lot of respect for.

The second type are greeding corperate CEOS who only want tax breaks not so they can create jobs but so they can take the money they get in tax breaks and not give back to the community.

Professional athlets and Actors and Actresses do in fact give back to the community they are not the type of rich perosn that I dislike.

Corperate CEOS of a big insurance company ect often violate humanitarian principles since I am a humanitarian at heart and care more about the treatment of others then I do politics I often dislike those types of rich people.

With all that being said show me a articale or evidence that when rich people get tax breaks that they give back to the community.