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02 Dec 2011, 2:18 pm

Herman is making a major announcement tomorrow in Georgia. Major announcement, in his home state rather than a primary state, and on the weekend. Probably nothing positive, possibly dropping out.



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02 Dec 2011, 5:05 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
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Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Ah, that old cliché once again. It all depends on what you consider "smoke". Accusations alone, I suppose, means someone is guilty.


Well, there's no doubt that Obama is a whole BBQ pit. :lol:


And that's supposed to be a reference to...?

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You've never been to a BBQ, have you?

Smoke...Fire...BBQ....

Oh, why bother...a joke is never funny when you have to explain it. :evil:


The implication was was that Obama has a bunch of scandals. I have yet to see any such accusations, let alone proof, of sexual impropriety or any illicit behavior, concerning our president.

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Obama has a laundry list of character issues...only one involving marital infidelity...but all as pertinent or more so than the allegations being made against Cain.


Uh huh. :roll:

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Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.


Denial not just a river in Egypt?!?! HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! (sarcastic laughter) You kill me!

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02 Dec 2011, 5:10 pm

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One thing I always try to do in my posts is "keep it real" -- while it's clear a lot of other posters don't.
About this latest revelation that Cain was a frequently money-lending friend to this ne'er-do-well Ginger White, without telling his wife -- as a married man myself, the "without telling his wife" part is a real no-no. That's the only part I have a problem with. (Although I would say that it is also unwise to keep giving a perpetual money-pit like Ginger more and more money to flush away -- much the way we taxpayers do for the U.S. government.)

I think the relationship was simply that -- a friendship involving frequent money loans and nothing else. BUT, he should definitely have told his wife, both that Ginger was a friend, and that he was loaning her money. I mean, if it's innocent, and you're wise, you tell your spouse. Or, if your spouse if the type to "blow up" about such matters, simply STOP LOANING MONEY and being so close a friend to that friend. So, either he wasn't innocent or he wasn't wise. I think what we're talking about is: inordinate emotional involvement with another woman. It can sneak up on you, because it's easy not to see a friendship attachment growing into a deeper and deeper friendship -- one that seriously merits you telling your spouse. That's my view, anyway. My wife and I are more open with each other than most couples I've observed seemed comfortable being with each other. It's not a "thought-hiding game", like most relationships are, and I'm grateful that we have that kind of mutual understanding that we can be that comfortable talking about our innermost thoughts.

But again, so far, what we're talking about here is something that went too far emotionally, which is the easiest trap to fall into unaware. Sometimes if you're concentrating on not crossing physical barriers, you can think you're doing alright. Then an invisible emotional barrier is crossed. Both my wife and I have experienced it, discussed them, and know it's simply a human failing that, as long as it's reversed in each case, is not a problem. I think Cain got too comfortable playing the role of the kind money lender. He should have told his wife, for sure. Even just before this, though, he wasn't poised lately to win the nomination, so it may not have actually hurt his chances.

As a Christian, he could have been mulling over Matt 5:42:
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Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.


I'm a married man as well with a very close relationship with my wife, who genuinely is also my best friend, and I can tell you, I'd never carry on a "secret friendship" with another woman, as the very existence of such a relationship would be hurtful to my wife.

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02 Dec 2011, 6:15 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
One thing I always try to do in my posts is "keep it real" -- while it's clear a lot of other posters don't.
About this latest revelation that Cain was a frequently money-lending friend to this ne'er-do-well Ginger White, without telling his wife -- as a married man myself, the "without telling his wife" part is a real no-no. That's the only part I have a problem with. (Although I would say that it is also unwise to keep giving a perpetual money-pit like Ginger more and more money to flush away -- much the way we taxpayers do for the U.S. government.)

I think the relationship was simply that -- a friendship involving frequent money loans and nothing else. BUT, he should definitely have told his wife, both that Ginger was a friend, and that he was loaning her money. I mean, if it's innocent, and you're wise, you tell your spouse. Or, if your spouse if the type to "blow up" about such matters, simply STOP LOANING MONEY and being so close a friend to that friend. So, either he wasn't innocent or he wasn't wise. I think what we're talking about is: inordinate emotional involvement with another woman. It can sneak up on you, because it's easy not to see a friendship attachment growing into a deeper and deeper friendship -- one that seriously merits you telling your spouse. That's my view, anyway. My wife and I are more open with each other than most couples I've observed seemed comfortable being with each other. It's not a "thought-hiding game", like most relationships are, and I'm grateful that we have that kind of mutual understanding that we can be that comfortable talking about our innermost thoughts.

But again, so far, what we're talking about here is something that went too far emotionally, which is the easiest trap to fall into unaware. Sometimes if you're concentrating on not crossing physical barriers, you can think you're doing alright. Then an invisible emotional barrier is crossed. Both my wife and I have experienced it, discussed them, and know it's simply a human failing that, as long as it's reversed in each case, is not a problem. I think Cain got too comfortable playing the role of the kind money lender. He should have told his wife, for sure. Even just before this, though, he wasn't poised lately to win the nomination, so it may not have actually hurt his chances.

As a Christian, he could have been mulling over Matt 5:42:
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Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.


I'm a married man as well with a very close relationship with my wife, who genuinely is also my best friend, and I can tell you, I'd never carry on a "secret friendship" with another woman, as the very existence of such a relationship would be hurtful to my wife.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yeah, but he never told her about it, so that makes it okay. There are plenty of Bible verses to back this up.



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02 Dec 2011, 6:20 pm

pandabear wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
One thing I always try to do in my posts is "keep it real" -- while it's clear a lot of other posters don't.
About this latest revelation that Cain was a frequently money-lending friend to this ne'er-do-well Ginger White, without telling his wife -- as a married man myself, the "without telling his wife" part is a real no-no. That's the only part I have a problem with. (Although I would say that it is also unwise to keep giving a perpetual money-pit like Ginger more and more money to flush away -- much the way we taxpayers do for the U.S. government.)

I think the relationship was simply that -- a friendship involving frequent money loans and nothing else. BUT, he should definitely have told his wife, both that Ginger was a friend, and that he was loaning her money. I mean, if it's innocent, and you're wise, you tell your spouse. Or, if your spouse if the type to "blow up" about such matters, simply STOP LOANING MONEY and being so close a friend to that friend. So, either he wasn't innocent or he wasn't wise. I think what we're talking about is: inordinate emotional involvement with another woman. It can sneak up on you, because it's easy not to see a friendship attachment growing into a deeper and deeper friendship -- one that seriously merits you telling your spouse. That's my view, anyway. My wife and I are more open with each other than most couples I've observed seemed comfortable being with each other. It's not a "thought-hiding game", like most relationships are, and I'm grateful that we have that kind of mutual understanding that we can be that comfortable talking about our innermost thoughts.

But again, so far, what we're talking about here is something that went too far emotionally, which is the easiest trap to fall into unaware. Sometimes if you're concentrating on not crossing physical barriers, you can think you're doing alright. Then an invisible emotional barrier is crossed. Both my wife and I have experienced it, discussed them, and know it's simply a human failing that, as long as it's reversed in each case, is not a problem. I think Cain got too comfortable playing the role of the kind money lender. He should have told his wife, for sure. Even just before this, though, he wasn't poised lately to win the nomination, so it may not have actually hurt his chances.

As a Christian, he could have been mulling over Matt 5:42:
Quote:
Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.


I'm a married man as well with a very close relationship with my wife, who genuinely is also my best friend, and I can tell you, I'd never carry on a "secret friendship" with another woman, as the very existence of such a relationship would be hurtful to my wife.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yeah, but he never told her about it, so that makes it okay. There are plenty of Bible verses to back this up.


Yuh know, if I didn't know you, Aspie that I am, I would have thought you were being serious! :lol:

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02 Dec 2011, 7:21 pm

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Guys do you really think he could have been having an affair while he was undergoing chemotherapy, surgery, etc. for stage IV liver and colon cancer? Cause part of when he was supposedly having this affair was when he was getting treatment for cancer.


I don't see why it matters, it was over the span of 13 years.


It matters cause his chemo was taking place smack dab in the middle of when this alleged affair was occurring.

Do you honestly think that he would be able to have an affair with anyone while recovering from surgeries and chemo?


In all honesty, I don't see why he couldn't.


Well, my dad died of stage-IV cancer, and he was so immobile near the end, that his sunken body was barely visible against the hospital bed he was in. My best friend's great aunt died of it too, and he also remembers the horrifying aspect of having walked into her hospital room, seeing the hospital bed she was on, and then having to turn to the nurse to ask, perplexed, "Where is she?" Both this friend and I experienced this phenomenon -- of not seeing a deathly-ill person who was right in front of us. Gives one an idea of how lifeless stage-IV cancer victims can be.


I'm really sorry about your Dad, and your friend's Aunt. I lost my Dad to renal failure back in '96.
As for Cain, it must be remembered, he did in fact survive his cancer, so he doubtlessly hadn't sunk so physically as low.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh Kraichgauer, Herman Cain probably was in the same shape as Ragtime's dad, only unlike Ragtime's dad, Herman Cain is one of the few people that managed to survive it.

Unless this woman is saying she raped Herman Cain in his hospital room, cause there was no way he could give consent, I seriously doubt this affair is real.



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02 Dec 2011, 7:35 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Guys do you really think he could have been having an affair while he was undergoing chemotherapy, surgery, etc. for stage IV liver and colon cancer? Cause part of when he was supposedly having this affair was when he was getting treatment for cancer.


I don't see why it matters, it was over the span of 13 years.


It matters cause his chemo was taking place smack dab in the middle of when this alleged affair was occurring.

Do you honestly think that he would be able to have an affair with anyone while recovering from surgeries and chemo?


In all honesty, I don't see why he couldn't.


Well, my dad died of stage-IV cancer, and he was so immobile near the end, that his sunken body was barely visible against the hospital bed he was in. My best friend's great aunt died of it too, and he also remembers the horrifying aspect of having walked into her hospital room, seeing the hospital bed she was on, and then having to turn to the nurse to ask, perplexed, "Where is she?" Both this friend and I experienced this phenomenon -- of not seeing a deathly-ill person who was right in front of us. Gives one an idea of how lifeless stage-IV cancer victims can be.


I'm really sorry about your Dad, and your friend's Aunt. I lost my Dad to renal failure back in '96.
As for Cain, it must be remembered, he did in fact survive his cancer, so he doubtlessly hadn't sunk so physically as low.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh Kraichgauer, Herman Cain probably was in the same shape as Ragtime's dad, only unlike Ragtime's dad, Herman Cain is one of the few people that managed to survive it.

Unless this woman is saying she raped Herman Cain in his hospital room, cause there was no way he could give consent, I seriously doubt this affair is real.


The alleged affair took 13 years wtf are you talking about raped in his hotel room?
Herman is giving the word on if he is even going to continue his bid on monday.


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02 Dec 2011, 7:54 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Guys do you really think he could have been having an affair while he was undergoing chemotherapy, surgery, etc. for stage IV liver and colon cancer? Cause part of when he was supposedly having this affair was when he was getting treatment for cancer.


I don't see why it matters, it was over the span of 13 years.


It matters cause his chemo was taking place smack dab in the middle of when this alleged affair was occurring.

Do you honestly think that he would be able to have an affair with anyone while recovering from surgeries and chemo?


In all honesty, I don't see why he couldn't.


Well, my dad died of stage-IV cancer, and he was so immobile near the end, that his sunken body was barely visible against the hospital bed he was in. My best friend's great aunt died of it too, and he also remembers the horrifying aspect of having walked into her hospital room, seeing the hospital bed she was on, and then having to turn to the nurse to ask, perplexed, "Where is she?" Both this friend and I experienced this phenomenon -- of not seeing a deathly-ill person who was right in front of us. Gives one an idea of how lifeless stage-IV cancer victims can be.


I'm really sorry about your Dad, and your friend's Aunt. I lost my Dad to renal failure back in '96.
As for Cain, it must be remembered, he did in fact survive his cancer, so he doubtlessly hadn't sunk so physically as low.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh Kraichgauer, Herman Cain probably was in the same shape as Ragtime's dad, only unlike Ragtime's dad, Herman Cain is one of the few people that managed to survive it.

Unless this woman is saying she raped Herman Cain in his hospital room, cause there was no way he could give consent, I seriously doubt this affair is real.


The alleged affair took 13 years wtf are you talking about raped in his hotel room?
Herman is giving the word on if he is even going to continue his bid on monday.


Allegedly this affair was taking place when he was in the hospital getting chemo and underwent surgeries to remove cancerous tissue.

I'm not talking about a flippin hotel room cause there was no flippin way he could have even gone to a hotel in that condition.



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02 Dec 2011, 11:40 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Ragtime wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Guys do you really think he could have been having an affair while he was undergoing chemotherapy, surgery, etc. for stage IV liver and colon cancer? Cause part of when he was supposedly having this affair was when he was getting treatment for cancer.


I don't see why it matters, it was over the span of 13 years.


It matters cause his chemo was taking place smack dab in the middle of when this alleged affair was occurring.

Do you honestly think that he would be able to have an affair with anyone while recovering from surgeries and chemo?


In all honesty, I don't see why he couldn't.


Well, my dad died of stage-IV cancer, and he was so immobile near the end, that his sunken body was barely visible against the hospital bed he was in. My best friend's great aunt died of it too, and he also remembers the horrifying aspect of having walked into her hospital room, seeing the hospital bed she was on, and then having to turn to the nurse to ask, perplexed, "Where is she?" Both this friend and I experienced this phenomenon -- of not seeing a deathly-ill person who was right in front of us. Gives one an idea of how lifeless stage-IV cancer victims can be.


I'm really sorry about your Dad, and your friend's Aunt. I lost my Dad to renal failure back in '96.
As for Cain, it must be remembered, he did in fact survive his cancer, so he doubtlessly hadn't sunk so physically as low.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh Kraichgauer, Herman Cain probably was in the same shape as Ragtime's dad, only unlike Ragtime's dad, Herman Cain is one of the few people that managed to survive it.

Unless this woman is saying she raped Herman Cain in his hospital room, cause there was no way he could give consent, I seriously doubt this affair is real.


How do you know Cain had declined to so low?

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03 Dec 2011, 6:55 am

Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Guys do you really think he could have been having an affair while he was undergoing chemotherapy, surgery, etc. for stage IV liver and colon cancer? Cause part of when he was supposedly having this affair was when he was getting treatment for cancer.


I don't see why it matters, it was over the span of 13 years.


It matters cause his chemo was taking place smack dab in the middle of when this alleged affair was occurring.

Do you honestly think that he would be able to have an affair with anyone while recovering from surgeries and chemo?


In all honesty, I don't see why he couldn't.


Well, my dad died of stage-IV cancer, and he was so immobile near the end, that his sunken body was barely visible against the hospital bed he was in. My best friend's great aunt died of it too, and he also remembers the horrifying aspect of having walked into her hospital room, seeing the hospital bed she was on, and then having to turn to the nurse to ask, perplexed, "Where is she?" Both this friend and I experienced this phenomenon -- of not seeing a deathly-ill person who was right in front of us. Gives one an idea of how lifeless stage-IV cancer victims can be.


I'm really sorry about your Dad, and your friend's Aunt. I lost my Dad to renal failure back in '96.
As for Cain, it must be remembered, he did in fact survive his cancer, so he doubtlessly hadn't sunk so physically as low.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Uh Kraichgauer, Herman Cain probably was in the same shape as Ragtime's dad, only unlike Ragtime's dad, Herman Cain is one of the few people that managed to survive it.

Unless this woman is saying she raped Herman Cain in his hospital room, cause there was no way he could give consent, I seriously doubt this affair is real.


The alleged affair took 13 years wtf are you talking about raped in his hotel room?
Herman is giving the word on if he is even going to continue his bid on monday.


Allegedly this affair was taking place when he was in the hospital getting chemo and underwent surgeries to remove cancerous tissue.

I'm not talking about a flippin hotel room cause there was no flippin way he could have even gone to a hotel in that condition.


Herman was in the hospital for thirteen years?
wow . . . ?
on monday he is dropping out.


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03 Dec 2011, 9:52 am

He's waiting for Monday?



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03 Dec 2011, 10:08 am

Tell me why? I don't like mondays.



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03 Dec 2011, 10:34 am

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Tell me why? I don't like mondays.


You prefer Friday afternoons, when Obama typically dumps all the info on the stuff he did which he'd prefer we not think about?

Yesterday, the Justice Department continued that tradition, this time in regard to their admission of lying about Operation Fast and Furious:
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03 Dec 2011, 10:39 am

Are any of the gambling sites taking bets on whether the King of Grope will remain in the race?



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03 Dec 2011, 10:42 am

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Are any of the gambling sites taking bets on whether the King of Grope will remain in the race?


Once a King, always a King. One a night is enough.

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03 Dec 2011, 10:58 am

Um... I thought of mentioning this way earlier, but... Have either of you noticed that... Herman isn't exactly... Mr. smooth talk? He's quite nerdy, and that's not an insult, but it is a score against his even being able to land so many women. His own wife said in the Greta interview that she never even thought he was particularly charming or attractive.

THIS is the type of guy whose smooth talk landed the women:

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You gots to be SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH to do it.

Challenge: Name ONE public figure who is less smooth than Herman Cain. I can't think of one.


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