Libertarian fire dept. lets another home burn
Fnord wrote:
Just as you can not draw funds from a bank account that you've never paid into, what you do not pay for is not owed to you - plain and simple.
The owners did not pay for firefighters to save their home, so the firefighters were under no obligation to save it - also plain and simple.
The owners did not pay for firefighters to save their home, so the firefighters were under no obligation to save it - also plain and simple.
First of all, the $75 fee should not be option; it should be mandatory. That being said, emergency services must NEVER be underfunded. And yes, the money must come from somewhere. However, surely there must be some wealthy persons and companies in Tennessee that can foot the bill. And I really don't give 2 sh*ts and fart if you libertardians get butthurt about having to pay higher taxes for services that benefit all of us! If you don't pay up, it's gonna be a real pain in the rear.
Sometimes I think that libertarians should receive free(but compulsory) retroactive abortions.
xenon13 wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps people were unaware that they had to pay extra?
No. I'm pretty sure the guy admitted on TV that he knew he hadn't paid the tax but figured he could just pay it if a fire ever started.
When you buy a house in one of these areas, it's made clear that you have to pay as well.
AspieRouge, why should it be mandatory? If your dumb enough to take the risk and not pay so be it. That's called responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. Everyone else paid the tax, this one dumb f**k didn't. No need to change the rules because one dumb f**k wanted to be dumb.
He chose to not pay, he suffered the consequences. Simple as that. You do know that if someone had been in the house, they would have done a rescue. They do not allow people to die; only stupid people to loose their property because they gambled and lost.
There is no need to impose taxes on rich people, the fire tax pays for the service. You just have to pay it, or suffer the consequences.
And don't me going on your butt hurt comment, cause I could make a few about responsibility being a foreign idea to liberals.
thewhitrbbit wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps people were unaware that they had to pay extra?
No. I'm pretty sure the guy admitted on TV that he knew he hadn't paid the tax but figured he could just pay it if a fire ever started.
When you buy a house in one of these areas, it's made clear that you have to pay as well.
AspieRouge, why should it be mandatory? If your dumb enough to take the risk and not pay so be it. That's called responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. Everyone else paid the tax, this one dumb f**k didn't. No need to change the rules because one dumb f**k wanted to be dumb.
He chose to not pay, he suffered the consequences. Simple as that. You do know that if someone had been in the house, they would have done a rescue. They do not allow people to die; only stupid people to loose their property because they gambled and lost.
There is no need to impose taxes on rich people, the fire tax pays for the service. You just have to pay it, or suffer the consequences.
And don't me going on your butt hurt comment, cause I could make a few about responsibility being a foreign idea to liberals.
"Responsibility" is a joke. People are too stupid to truly be responsible; and that's why it's necessary for the state to protect people from themselves. When the state sits back and leaves people to their own devices, they do stupid sh*t that harms themselves and others. And FYI bub, I am not a liberal.
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In my community, fire insurance for the home is awfully expensive because by the time the nearest fire department would arrive, it would probably be too late to save much of anything. Because of the expense, I think that most of us don't have any insurance.
I've been tempted to build a house with compressed earth blocks largely to try to make it as immune to complete structure fires as possible.
eric76 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I'm sure if this was a forest fire area they would of put it out although I'm pretty sure they let those burn themselves out rather than wasting resources.
I think that forest fires are often handled by state or federal firefighters.
Someone once told me about a fire they were on that had federal firefighters spearheading the fight. The federal firefighters would quit at quitting time and go back the next day to continue even when they could have made very significantly headway if they fought it at night when the weather was significantly cooler. So instead of taking care of a fire in a couple days, they were content to let it burn weeks so that they could get paid for those weeks of work.
Of course, the person who told me about this may just have not liked the federal firefighters for other reasons and was exaggerating.
Fighting forest fires is not only a huge waste of time and money, active fire suppression is damaging the ecology. That's why Smokey Bear needs to STFU: Nobody can prevent forest fires! And this means YOU. Forest fires are a natural process that rejuvenate forests and are essential for propagating seeds for several species. Fire suppression only makes fires even more destructive and uncontrollable and has led to epidemics of tree killing bark beetles.
Sounds like Beavis and Butthead and working for that fire department and got dispatched to that couples home.
thewhitrbbit wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Has it occurred to anyone that perhaps people were unaware that they had to pay extra?
No. I'm pretty sure the guy admitted on TV that he knew he hadn't paid the tax but figured he could just pay it if a fire ever started.
When you buy a house in one of these areas, it's made clear that you have to pay as well.
AspieRouge, why should it be mandatory? If your dumb enough to take the risk and not pay so be it. That's called responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. Everyone else paid the tax, this one dumb f**k didn't. No need to change the rules because one dumb f**k wanted to be dumb.
He chose to not pay, he suffered the consequences. Simple as that. You do know that if someone had been in the house, they would have done a rescue. They do not allow people to die; only stupid people to loose their property because they gambled and lost.
There is no need to impose taxes on rich people, the fire tax pays for the service. You just have to pay it, or suffer the consequences.
And don't me going on your butt hurt comment, cause I could make a few about responsibility being a foreign idea to liberals.
Not acting like cruel a**holes is a foreign concept to libertarians. You guys are arrogant a**holes who think it's only "those other stupid people" who ever make a small mistake or fall victim to bad fortune. Only when you eventually get yours will you ever change your selfish attitude.
marshall wrote:
Not acting like cruel a**holes is a foreign concept to libertarians. You guys are arrogant a**holes who think it's only "those other stupid people" who ever make a small mistake or fall victim to bad fortune. Only when you eventually get yours will you ever change your selfish attitude.
I'll ask it again. What makes you think that they are Libertarians? The odds are overwhelming that they are far more likely to be Republicans or Democrats instead of Libertarians.
To a Libertarian, the idea would be to open the fire department business up to anyone who wished to enter the business. In this case, it was a city fire department, not a private fire department, faced with a fire that was not in its jurisdiction and for which they had no authority to fight the fire.
Libertarians? Not very likely.
eric76 wrote:
marshall wrote:
Not acting like cruel a**holes is a foreign concept to libertarians. You guys are arrogant a**holes who think it's only "those other stupid people" who ever make a small mistake or fall victim to bad fortune. Only when you eventually get yours will you ever change your selfish attitude.
I'll ask it again. What makes you think that they are Libertarians? The odds are overwhelming that they are far more likely to be Republicans or Democrats instead of Libertarians.
To a Libertarian, the idea would be to open the fire department business up to anyone who wished to enter the business. In this case, it was a city fire department, not a private fire department, faced with a fire that was not in its jurisdiction and for which they had no authority to fight the fire.
Libertarians? Not very likely.
Good gawd! A privatized fire department would be a NIGHTMARE. Firemen don't just put out fires, they also carry out rescues of people who are in dangerous situations and function as paramedics. If they are privatized, then not only will poor people die and lose their homes, but there will be a serious lack of efficiency and rationing of services that will even claim the lives of people who can afford it simply because they have an emergency at a time and place that isn't convenient.
Taxes pay for civilization. That is why I believe that the annual fee for emergency services should not be voluntary, it needs to be requires by law.
AspieRogue wrote:
Good gawd! A privatized fire department would be a NIGHTMARE. .
Ancient Rome had privatized fire department,this what happened:
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Marcus Licinius Crassus was born into a wealthy Roman family around the year 115 BC, and acquired an enormous fortune through (in the words of Plutarch) "fire and rapine."
Crassus created his own brigade—500 men strong—which rushed to burning buildings(often burned by Crassus' men) at the first cry of alarm. Upon arriving at the scene, however, the fire fighters did nothing while their employer bargained over the price of their services with the distressed property owner. If Crassus could not negotiate a satisfactory price, his men simply let the structure burn to the ground, after which he offered to purchase it for a fraction of its value.
Crassus created his own brigade—500 men strong—which rushed to burning buildings(often burned by Crassus' men) at the first cry of alarm. Upon arriving at the scene, however, the fire fighters did nothing while their employer bargained over the price of their services with the distressed property owner. If Crassus could not negotiate a satisfactory price, his men simply let the structure burn to the ground, after which he offered to purchase it for a fraction of its value.
Oh the US had private fire dept during the gilded age....ironically was the upper class who pushed for public fire dept. because fire started from poor people house often arrived in the rich quarter
CrinklyCrustacean wrote:
Move to Britain. Britain has universal health care and free emergency services.
TANSTAAFL. There ain't so such thing as a free lunch. Someone has paid for all those emergency services. In Britain one can receive the services at no extra charge but someone had to pay for it.
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