Kraichgauer
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Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
26 Jan 2012, 9:07 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
Quote:
A misguided accusation of hypocrisy tends to explode in the accuser's face; the person who called M_P a latte liberal looked foolish when M_P established his working class bonafides.
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
So... it's okay for Republicans with money to be country club conservatives, but Democrats are hypocritical limousine liberals if they do...?
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
Quote:
You guys are missing my point.
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Quote:
Liberals tend to talk about the working class not because they are necessarily a part of it (no politician is), but because Liberal policies are more in line with what the working class needs.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
As my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant, I think I know of what I speak.
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich? No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity - which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
Gee, it sure looked like you were saying that. What did you mean, then? This should be good.
Quote:
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich?
Rich from being a professional victim and poster child for the ACLU, maybe.
Liberals have demonstrated over and over, ad nauseum, that they think business success is bad.
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No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity
Tax breaks are there to be taken as long as they are legal or are you saying all republicans are guilty of tax fraud? Do I need to hunt up some examples of rich liberals who have committed tax fraud? No, why bother since you’d claim that the sources were biased.
The taxes that the rich republicans have to pay are sharing enough. Many, probably even most, republicans are generous toward charity without government robery.
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- which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
Move to North Korea, then……
Oh, and don’t even bother to remind me how much you love America.
I was addressing ruveyn's claim that working people are only interested in TV, beer, and sex. I mentioned that my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant as evidence that I have first hand understanding that there is more to a working class mentality.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
And I concede, I may not have made myself as clear as I should have - when I said "that's how capitalism works," I was referring to how business exists not only to create wealth for themselves, but to extend prosperity to their employees, creating a thriving middle class. I was never saying that a nightmare scape like North Korea could even begin to compare.
I seriously think you need to drop the preconceived notion that liberals hate America, just because you're told that by Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox Noise.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
26 Jan 2012, 9:36 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
Quote:
A misguided accusation of hypocrisy tends to explode in the accuser's face; the person who called M_P a latte liberal looked foolish when M_P established his working class bonafides.
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
So... it's okay for Republicans with money to be country club conservatives, but Democrats are hypocritical limousine liberals if they do...?
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
Quote:
You guys are missing my point.
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Quote:
Liberals tend to talk about the working class not because they are necessarily a part of it (no politician is), but because Liberal policies are more in line with what the working class needs.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
As my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant, I think I know of what I speak.
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich? No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity - which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
Gee, it sure looked like you were saying that. What did you mean, then? This should be good.
Quote:
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich?
Rich from being a professional victim and poster child for the ACLU, maybe.
Liberals have demonstrated over and over, ad nauseum, that they think business success is bad.
Quote:
No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity
Tax breaks are there to be taken as long as they are legal or are you saying all republicans are guilty of tax fraud? Do I need to hunt up some examples of rich liberals who have committed tax fraud? No, why bother since you’d claim that the sources were biased.
The taxes that the rich republicans have to pay are sharing enough. Many, probably even most, republicans are generous toward charity without government robery.
Quote:
- which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
Move to North Korea, then……
Oh, and don’t even bother to remind me how much you love America.
I was addressing ruveyn's claim that working people are only interested in TV, beer, and sex. I mentioned that my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant as evidence that I have first hand understanding that there is more to a working class mentality.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
And I concede, I may not have made myself as clear as I should have - when I said "that's how capitalism works," I was referring to how business exists not only to create wealth for themselves, but to extend prosperity to their employees, creating a thriving middle class. I was never saying that a nightmare scape like North Korea could even begin to compare.
I seriously think you need to drop the preconceived notion that liberals hate America, just because you're told that by Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox Noise.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
I was addressing ruveyn's claim that working people are only interested in TV, beer, and sex. I mentioned that my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant as evidence that I have first hand understanding that there is more to a working class mentality.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
Trimming the sails now are we……….
Quote:
I was never saying that a nightmare scape like North Korea could even begin to compare.
Hey, no greedy capitalism there so it must be a real workers paradise. If the shoe fits…………
Quote:
I seriously think you need to drop the preconceived notion that liberals hate America, just because you're told that by Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox Nois
I don’t listen to, read, or watch Limbaugh or Beck although I have nothing agains them.
I don’t watch the news very much but when I do it is, of course, Fox.
Tried CNN (Communist News Network) and MSNBC but my time watching those was divided between fits of raucous laughter and disgust.
MSNBC is the worse of the two by a mile.
There’s preconceived notions that you could drop but I know you won’t so I have the good sense not to ask.
26 Jan 2012, 9:39 pm
26 Jan 2012, 10:42 pm
Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
26 Jan 2012, 10:57 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
Quote:
A misguided accusation of hypocrisy tends to explode in the accuser's face; the person who called M_P a latte liberal looked foolish when M_P established his working class bonafides.
Established or claimed? The internet is full of claims.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
So... it's okay for Republicans with money to be country club conservatives, but Democrats are hypocritical limousine liberals if they do...?
Republicans don’t see anything wrong with anyone belonging to a country club therefore they don’t hang out at the country club and criticize country club membership.
Liberals, on the other hand, are always trashing the rich. So when you see a rich liberal who makes a show of relating to commoners (or even the poor) it comes off as highly hypocritical.
This really isn’t rocket science here.
Dox47 wrote:
Quote:
You guys are missing my point.
More like they refuse to but nice try.
Abacacus wrote:
Quote:
Liberals tend to talk about the working class not because they are necessarily a part of it (no politician is), but because Liberal policies are more in line with what the working class needs.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Republican=Screw everyone, business needs to thrive.
Here again we have a contradiction.
First you say liberal policy is more in line with the working class (note the word "working").
Then you say that republicans are out to screw everyone because business needs to thrive.
People work in businesses so therefore these evil businesses benefit the worker as places of employment.
That is unless you mislabeled welfare recipients as “workers”.
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
As my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant, I think I know of what I speak.
What, none of us evil republicans have dad’s that have jobs?
Whatever.........
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich? No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity - which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
I think you know you've taken me out of context. I never said Republicans don't have Dads who had jobs.
Gee, it sure looked like you were saying that. What did you mean, then? This should be good.
Quote:
And who says Democrats are against people getting rich?
Rich from being a professional victim and poster child for the ACLU, maybe.
Liberals have demonstrated over and over, ad nauseum, that they think business success is bad.
Quote:
No, Democrats are against those rich individuals who take all the tax breaks, but don't share their prosperity
Tax breaks are there to be taken as long as they are legal or are you saying all republicans are guilty of tax fraud? Do I need to hunt up some examples of rich liberals who have committed tax fraud? No, why bother since you’d claim that the sources were biased.
The taxes that the rich republicans have to pay are sharing enough. Many, probably even most, republicans are generous toward charity without government robery.
Quote:
- which is how the capitalistic system actually works.
Move to North Korea, then……
Oh, and don’t even bother to remind me how much you love America.
I was addressing ruveyn's claim that working people are only interested in TV, beer, and sex. I mentioned that my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant as evidence that I have first hand understanding that there is more to a working class mentality.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
And I concede, I may not have made myself as clear as I should have - when I said "that's how capitalism works," I was referring to how business exists not only to create wealth for themselves, but to extend prosperity to their employees, creating a thriving middle class. I was never saying that a nightmare scape like North Korea could even begin to compare.
I seriously think you need to drop the preconceived notion that liberals hate America, just because you're told that by Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox Noise.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Quote:
I was addressing ruveyn's claim that working people are only interested in TV, beer, and sex. I mentioned that my Dad had worked in an aluminum plant as evidence that I have first hand understanding that there is more to a working class mentality.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
Again, Democrats have no problem with becoming wealthy, but responsibly. Which means paying their workers a good wage with benefits, rather than grinding people under foot, and shipping jobs off to foreign shores.
Trimming the sails now are we……….
Quote:
I was never saying that a nightmare scape like North Korea could even begin to compare.
Hey, no greedy capitalism there so it must be a real workers paradise. If the shoe fits…………
Quote:
I seriously think you need to drop the preconceived notion that liberals hate America, just because you're told that by Limbaugh, Beck, and Fox Nois
I don’t listen to, read, or watch Limbaugh or Beck although I have nothing agains them.
I don’t watch the news very much but when I do it is, of course, Fox.
Tried CNN (Communist News Network) and MSNBC but my time watching those was divided between fits of raucous laughter and disgust.
MSNBC is the worse of the two by a mile.
There’s preconceived notions that you could drop but I know you won’t so I have the good sense not to ask.
You may want to reread what I had written, as there was no way what I had stated could have been misconstrued. So, no sail trimming.
And if you don't watch any of the major cable news networks, just where do you get your news?
And just what preconceived notions do I allegedly have?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
26 Jan 2012, 10:59 pm
26 Jan 2012, 11:39 pm
Kraichgauer
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Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
26 Jan 2012, 11:50 pm
27 Jan 2012, 12:00 am
27 Jan 2012, 12:03 am
Kraichgauer
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Joined: 12 Apr 2010
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Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
27 Jan 2012, 12:05 am
Master_Pedant wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 is the only one people take issue with and what people take issue with are Title II and Title VII which people feel overextends the authority of the federal government. Ron's position mirrors that of Barry Goldwater on this issue in that 'you can't legislate morality'.
Thanks!
"Principled conservatives" are just as bad as any other conservative. Barry Goldwater demonstrates that, despite all the idiots who like to fawn nostalgically about the good ol' days of sane conservatives (newsflash: they never existed).
And thank you for pointing out reality!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
