A recent revival of racism?

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The term "progressive," used in the way that I was using it (and used in the way that most people in the U.S. use it), refers to human progress such as that for which people like FDR fought. Like any word, "progressive" can be used in a way that is not true to that definition. I never disputed this. The way I (and most people in the U.S.) was using the term "progressive," as is indicated in the first sentence on that Wikipedia page to which I linked, does not refer to conservative or reactionary ideologies.

Any narrow-minded group, such as various conservative groups, can take the word "progressive" and apply it narrowly, such as in the sentence, "I'm a millionaire, and I think that giving these massive tax cuts to millionaires would be a very progressive move, because it furthers our interests and their interests!" So any action that furthers the interests of a group or person, or helps realize their vision, can be said by that group or person as being "progressive" in that light. But when I said "the definitions of leftism and progressivism rely hugely on [committing oneself wholly to human progress]," I was using the term "progressivism" in its broadest sense as it was relevant to what I was talking about- human progress.

So, it is wrong of you (and Tequila, and anyone else who did so) to assume that I was using it in a way other than what is suggested by the remarks in my posts.

Please read the entire post before commenting. Socialist parties often do call themselves progressive, but I specifically pointed out that Progressivism refers to a free market approach in India. And that the Liberal Party of Canada (most assuredly not a socialist party, except by Republican standards) views itself as more progressive than the more left-wing NDP.

I knew how you were using it. I'm just pointing out that you have to be careful with what words you use. They can be quite ill defined.

Racism would die, we if we left it behind us and stopped talking about haters in the media. Really to end hate means to end all hate. When all hate is gone and no one is allowed to say something to anyone that amounts to hate for any reason whatsoever, hate will die. It is only by teaching people that it's okay and that people actually do it that one can allow themselves to do it. Allow there to be examples of hatred and violence and it will proliferate. Remove it and it goes away.

Thanks for your concern.

Hate is an emotion, not a crime in itself.

Tequila you point the problem of Islamophobia in the UK, it a modern problem compared to the problems of Cymrophobia, Scotophobia, Hibernophobia, and Anglophobia which have there roots in the middle ages.

I was taken a back by a thread in PPR on Saint David's day of the revival of an old Cymrophobic practise of having an Anglo-Saxon countercelebration (Samuel Pepys noted of one of those celebrations in his diaries). That act was an offence to the Welsh people and own ancestry on own national day of all days (my father is Welsh so therefore I am Welsh by descent)!

Merseyside has strong cultural, ethnical and geographical links with Wales, My home city of Liverpool has been referred to in the past as "the Capital of North Wales". I am aware that the province of Alberta also has strong ethnical and cultural links with Wales.

Ignorance is no excuse of racist behaviour, CYMROPHOBIA IS NOT COOL!! !
The Canadian Queen of Mean, the Anne Robinson of Edmonton you are "The Weakest Link" for your Dydd Gwyl Dewi behaviour.
Am looking forward to receiving your apology in the Welsh language.

INSULTING MY COUNTRY IS WRONG AND MAKES YOU IGNORANT BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING IT TO OTHERS RARARARARARA massive hypocrite

I'm black and Chinese. Once I drove from Nashville to Seattle. It took about 3 days. One morning, around 6am, I pulled into a truckstop in southern Minnesota. In the bathroom there was graffiti on the walls- some things about the ill treatment of natives. In the dining area I sat at the counter. I'd ordered a bagel & cream cheese. It seems like the waitress had never heard of cream cheese so I told her butter was fine. Two white men were sitting near me. One of them said, in a loud voice, "If a n****r sat near me I'd shoot him." I thought I was hallucinating so I ignored it while waiting for my bagel with butter. Seconds later, the same man extolled, "If a n****r sat near me I'd shoot him!"

Needless to say, the waitress couldn't bring me the bagel fast enough. I just grabbed some money from my wallet, laid it on the counter and hauled ass. Man, I was just hoping none of these racist mf's were waiting for me in the parking lot as I sprinted to my car and took off.

All of this happened just a few years ago. Boys and girls, some parts of America - and the world - is just as racist as its ever been. Nothing you do about it but be careful and carry a big stick.

Would I be off if I guessed that incident had taken place closer to Nashville than Seattle?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Seattle ain't so great either though, take it from someone with a long track record of interracial relationships who's lived in Seattle most of my life but also traveled. It's the perfect example of people spending so much time patting each other on the back for how progressive they all are that they forget to actually be progressive.

Really? Here in Spokane/Spokane Valley, interracial couples are (from my experience) readily accepted - and we Spokanites beat ourselves up constantly for being too provincial and conservative compared to Seattle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Talk to some minorities that have come to Seattle from elsewhere sometime, the stories are often illuminating. The thing that I've heard over and over from people that have come here from the South is that at least there the racism is out in the open and unconcealed, while in Seattle its nearly as pervasive, but its existence is completely denied. The town is legendary for the freeze-out that newcomers experience, and while a minority person isn't likely to be met with racial slurs and physical attack, subtle exclusion and a constant "what are you doing here?" attitude are pretty common. It really is like the whole city has told "the big lie" to itself and believes it; I'm only so aware of it myself through my outsider status and dating habits.

I'm very sorry to here about that.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Don't be sorry, knock the next smug Seattleite you encounter down a notch or two; they usually need it.

I thought you were a conservative trying to be satirical.